Posts by oldskool

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Just found out their about to baptise my 14 year old boy.

by Crazyguy in

there doing this right under my nose but i just found out.

not sure what to do but would like your help on getting me wt information on my headship role and how they shouldn't be doing this with out my permission.

also would like some help on showing my son the ramifications on what happens to someone when they get baptized and how they'll expect him to treat me.

oldskool

While I agree that "man up" comments are misguided, the relationship you have with your wife is the crux of your problem.

I will assume you have made an honest effort to communicate your unbelief in the WTS, while at the same time remaining/striving to be a helpful, faithful and loving husband. Same goes for the relationship with your kids.

If your wife hasn't followed your lead after two years, then you must face the reality that she may be lost to you. You need to prepare for this scenario, and your situation as described seems to have progressed far beyond the passive "planting seeds". The lines have been drawn, and sooner or later you are going to find yourself facing some tough decisions. Both your marriage and parental relationships are threatened. It sounds like the local JWs are already many steps ahead of you it terms of framing the narrative.

How often do you do things as a family? Do your kids enjoy your company? Are you engaged in their lives? At this point, the quality of your relationship with your family, outside of WTS stuff, is your strongest ally to keeping them.

The baptism is only a serious commitment within the JW community. It is a social contract with the group. Sure you would like to save your kids the grief of dealing with the groups social pressures, but again, I feel that the quality of your relationship with your family will help you the most against the shallow and disingenuous antics of the local JW congregation your family interacts with.

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Why are some that post here JW apologists?

by ctrwtf in

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my rant tonight is against the quasi religious apologists that post on this board.

those who at once rail against the jw's then later talk about how "orderly" and "neat" the witnesses are at their conventions.

those who site the benefits of bloodless surgery to some who have the luxury and time to actually make an educated choice, while ignoring the tens of thousands who've died because they happen to be in an accident or succumb to a disease for which there is no other treatment.. i understand the power of cognitive dissonance.

oldskool

Because they like to fantasize about life in underground bunkers.

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JWs exist because...

by oldskool in

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one sentence answers only.. here's mine:.

jws exist because people want an escape from the modern world and are willing to give up intellectual freedom to get it..

oldskool

Great comments everyone, I enjoyed it!

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Why the “Doomsday Underground Bunker” Videos of Jehovah’s Witnesses May Be More Prophetic Than You Think

by berrygerry in

https://jwvictims.org/2016/06/05/why-the-doomsday-underground-bunker-videos-of-jehovahs-witnesses-may-be-more-prophetic-than-you-think/.

oldskool

The narcissism and self indulgence in the video is enough for me. To actually believe people care enough about your obscure teachings about a created Jesus vs. triune manifestation and paradise enough to swat team your house is a joke beyond all measure.

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JWs exist because...

by oldskool in

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friends

one sentence answers only.. here's mine:.

jws exist because people want an escape from the modern world and are willing to give up intellectual freedom to get it..

oldskool

One sentence answers only.

Here's mine:

JWs exist because people want an escape from the modern world and are willing to give up intellectual freedom to get it.

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“Worldwide Epidemic”

by berrygerry in

watching the world - awake june 22, 1977. during the first interhemispheric conference on adolescent fertility, held recently at arlington, virginia, the delegates representing thirty-nine nations concluded that childbearing among teen-agers has reached the proportions of a “worldwide epidemic.” as quoted in medical tribune, iranian journalist nalia kazemian said in the keynote speech: “[we must] face the fact that the world-wide trend towards pregnancy and childbearing [at an early age] is a physical, social, and demographic crisis.

damaging the whole fabric of society.”.

daily mail - june 2, 2016. us teen pregnancy rate falls to an historic low.

oldskool

The end already occurred, and we missed it. All faithful JWs are on another planet and soon the great crowd will join with them.

All praise Jehovah's truth!

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what sort of reactions have you gotten when talking to other jw when telling them the "truth about the truth"?

by AmIright in

its funny ive read some stories on here about how they have become so infuriated by what logic dictates as being true and their own denying of it because it completely screws up their belief and shows how hypocritical it is xd some look like a nuclear reactor about to blow xd.

share you experiences here :) .

oldskool

The Elder that responded with the most empathy, and could see I had a point, eventually was the harshest at my spouses JD. We secretly taped it, and you could here him trying to be a hard ass with the other two elders in the room when they discussed it privately.

Most others basically blow it off. They are emotionally tied to the society. It's like telling somebody to disown their mother. Until they've had enough of the abuse, they won't see the bad in what's going on.

Closer family eventually left, mainly because we paved the way and let them see that leaving could be done. Talking never did much. Instead, it is the little things that, over time, causes a believer to question and doubt until the point where they make a change.

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The Greatest Intellectual Scam of All-Time: French Postmodernism

by cofty in

sbf you annoyed me enough to deserve this.. gad saad's comments on the nonsensical gibberish of jacques derrida, michel foucault, and jacques lacan.

charlatanism of the highest order.

.... the first quote from derrida starts as 2:50.

oldskool

The first 30%, or 2 minutes, of this video goes absolutely nowhere. Deserves no further time.

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What strange things are taught at MTS?

by Londo111 in

a few years before i woke up, a young man in my congregation went to ministerial training school.

he began to speak about some of the things he had learned.

one of the things mentioned was that of incubus or succubus, that is to say, sex demons.

oldskool

Very interesting to see how letter written by a crackpot in 1911, and then republished by the WTS in the magazine, is still in circulation as an urban legend within the group.

I still like the Jeopardy! NTW legend. Now that's a classic. I almost saw tears in a JWs eyes when I affirmed to him that it wasn't true. "But the brothers said they saw it, why would they lie to me?!?"

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Witness Carts - A Vehicle for Significant Decline

by slimboyfat in

i was stalking to a jw today about her recent experience on the carts and with being a jw generally.

until this conversation i considered the carts as just an ineffective preaching method and a harmless waste of time.

but now i wonder if the effect of the carts might be to produce noticeable decline in jw numbers.

oldskool

They may have underestimated how important traditional door to door ministry has been in structuring JW life, self-understanding and commitment. Over emphasis of cart witnessing threatens to undermine that.

Any thoughts on how much people doing at either broken apart? Is cart now a larger portion of the work?

Door to door is a more consistently active activity than sitting at a cart. You're typically on private property, and it is similar to territory sales. You have to be ready for anything. However, as history progressed (50s through 90s), the activity became more conventional. Probably directly correlated to born-in JWs learning it as a more cultural activity rather than converts doing it with apocalyptic passion.

Again, the one street of territory + break + 3 calls was a routine I remember well. Nothing close to the "preach the word" urgency WTS made it seem like was going on.

To get to the OP, I would say that cart witnesses has the potential to lower the bar even further. Just sitting at a cart in a boring location? I've done table events before in past jobs, including major event centers with lots of people. You have to be standing, you have to invite people in, you have to ask questions constantly. It's actually really hard to do well.

But it's also really easy to do poorly. Sit behind a table and not say much, barely anybody will approach you. And that's in a busy location. So in this light, it may be an even bigger excuse to non activity in the ministry, which although it's never verbalized, appeared to be the primary goal for most of the JWs I personally knew.

In private, I remember so many JWs saying they hated the ministry. If there was a way to cheat at it, they would. All of them dreaded to be in the car with one of those 70 year old old school Knorr Era witnesses that wanted to knock on 100 doors.