Posts by Konagirl

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UN and Governing Body and an accounting

by AnnaNana in

joseph and mary were not in a spiritually adulterous relationship with the roman authorities, the "legs of iron".

joseph and mary were not perfect.

the governing body of the modern-day organization of jehovah's witnesses is not perfect.

Konagirl

Where is there scriptural proof that God chose to put His spirit into an earthly organization 150 years ago? There is none! What is so unusual about it, that delineates its existence as different from other organizations? Nothing, except that genuine “anointed” have always been a part of it. Something to take note of. (Matt 7:15-20; 24:24,25; 48-51; Rev 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15; John 16:2,3)

“I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. Acts 20:29,30

Distort the truth. Doesn’t every JW say they are “in the truth”, when not one prediction taught as "truth", has come true?

Although the organization repeatedly compares itself with Moses the prophet, leading Israel, miracles happened in that day. What miracles have happened in the organization? Needed sand blowing in from a tropical storm in time to help build a kh? Ridiculous reasoning. The development of MEPS? A short-lived miracle since the internet is now available for everyone to translate whatever they need. The building of Warwick, on polluted land and using free labor and donated money? Obviously, that accomplishment was through deceitful cleverness.

Although a rare occurrence, when judges and kings ruled righteously, the people were blessed. When they ruled wickedly, the people suffered. There was no “organization” that received blessings, it was the people. There was no organization expecting devotion and service from its members. When they weren’t rebellious to God’s decrees; when they resisted idolatry, the people were amply blessed - all of them. They were under covenant with God, and when they transgressed the covenant, God removed His protection from the nations surrounding them. (Deut 28; Isa 48:18; Lam 2:3; Jer 23:29)

Who is blessed in the organization? Victims of child or spousal abuse? Shunned and disfellowshipped ones? Those that died in Malawi? Those that scrape their funds together to give to men who have all their needs met, and have no idea what it means to follow in the footsteps of Christ? (Luke 9:23; Matt 5:10,11) How does one measure blessings in the organization? By unquestionable obedience to organizational laws, which leads to privileges and prestige. In the Wt., it’s okay to follow false doctrine, as long as a JW obeys the men who speak them. Trust them, even if they lead you spiritually astray. Is that really what God expects? Jer 23:16

The construction of the ark of the covenant and the tabernacle were built by the plans Moses saw in heaven. (Heb 8:5) They became the dwelling of God’s spirit, and how He resided with the people. So…did Russel (who loved the pyramid) or Rutherford (who loved power) have a vision showing how to build the WB&TS? Would God have said, “build it similar to the religious organization already established on the earth, the Catholic Church”? "But I will allow My spirit to dwell only in your organization”?

It is a “temple built by human hands” and to be respected, praised and worshiped. (Acts 17:23-25,29) To JWs, it is invincible. (Rev 13:4) It is exalted in the minds of loyal JWs, yet Jesus told us that no physical place would be considered God’s spiritual dwelling. (John 4: 21-24) He dwells within the heart of those who seek Him. (John 14:23) It seems to me that the organization was built on the premise of rebellion against the words of Jesus Christ and the spiritual temple built on his anointed body. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)

We are to stand on our own two feet before Jesus, not under a blanket religious rule that obviously leads the people into idolatry toward an organization, and devotion to men who tell lies that have been brazenly documented. (Rom 1:25,32) Lies have always been a serious matter with God; why in this day, among the anointed, would they be dismissed as a little thing? (Prov 12:22; Luke 6:45; Matt 12:36) What spirit is really behind it? (1 Tim 4:1,2)

The organization’s existence, its message, and its rulership has brought people to ruin – physically and spiritually. One should ask, why would God “dwell” in corruption? (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)

“Who can produce something pure from what is impure? No one!” Job 14:4

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question/s for the PIMO

by enoughisenough in

to maintain the facade of being a jw, when doing the ministry, are you not advocating for the gb?

the bible studies, after all are to get people to understand they can't gain life without the "faithful slave" ( you have to be baptized as jw to survive) .how does it make you feel?

if you are parroting an answer in a paragraph that you know is wrong, how does it make you feel?

Konagirl

@Smiles - You make some interesting points, from an ethical perspective; but why the scriptures strategically plugged in throughout your paragraphs? It reads a bit like a WT study article.

Do you expect the forum to sit down and bible study the verse citations while we read your post?

Are you POMI?

A POMI? No, I was disfellowshipped some years ago. With all questions they fired at me, it was disbelief in 1914 that pulled the trigger. But leaving never meant I wanted to stop believing in the scriptures. With study, I deepened my belief. Wt. doesn’t have the corner on the word of God; really, it never has; but it certainly has slandered it with doctrine of men. So, since this is a forum where JWs may come and go, I use God’s word to refute the organization’s lies. Whether one wants to read a scripture I may post, is up them. I have no expectations.

“…God must be true, even though all human beings are liars. As the scripture says,

‘You must be shown to be right when you speak;
you must win your case when you are being tried.’” Rom 3:4

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question/s for the PIMO

by enoughisenough in

to maintain the facade of being a jw, when doing the ministry, are you not advocating for the gb?

the bible studies, after all are to get people to understand they can't gain life without the "faithful slave" ( you have to be baptized as jw to survive) .how does it make you feel?

if you are parroting an answer in a paragraph that you know is wrong, how does it make you feel?

Konagirl

"PIMO bethelites may eventually rise to offices of highest authority where they could possibly reform or dismantle the harmful features of JW culture."

I wonder how many JWs actually believe in following the example of Jesus Christ. This "system" of belief is corrupt. Jesus didn't mince words when letting his people know their lies. He warned them of the harm that was coming upon them; and he would never have attempted to "rise to offices of highest authority", to fix the problem. John 18:36 Watchtower's sins are much bigger than any one man can "fix". (Rev 18:4-8)

"It is not always a black & white "in or out" issue."

Truth is light, lies are darkness. In that sense, it is an "in or out" issue, if one follows Christ. Matt 5:11; Mark 8:35-38; John 16:2,3; Heb 13:13; Rev 13:15

Religiously "divided" households can certainly coexist happily peaceful, and it is a beautiful magnanimous thing when it can be achieved. Good on them.

How can that be, if one spouse believes that religious unity is thriving under the family arrangement when a PIMO spouse keeps hidden his true beliefs and valuable information that could save his or her partner from future harm?

If one wakes up to the deceit practiced by the leadership, is it not another form of deceit to hide what a person has come to know about the organization, by keeping that truth hidden from their loved ones? Can one ever trust himself after acting against what truth requires? (Eph 5:11) I wonder how far I would have gotten in waking up, if my husband and oldest son didn't stop going to the meetings, and clearly told me why.

No one in the organization is benefitting from the leadership's continual wicked attempt to hide the truth...about themselves, about JWs, about the anointed, about Jesus Christ and the Father...that scriptures reveal. I know there are PIMOs getting info out of the organization and into our hands. But you know, it will all come out soon enough. Luke 8:17

No one benefits, if one attempts to hide the truth they have come to know. I believe hiding behind a façade is a “putting off” of the inevitable.

"Freedom of personal belief is a human birthright. It is also a private decision."

I totally agree, but the natural, compassionate instinct of fellow man enacted in a life-threatening situation that we may come upon, is to help people find safety - to get away from harm's way as soon as possible. The account of the Good Samaritan comes to mind.

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20 Things I Don't Understand about Jehovah's Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

i don’t understand how jehovah’s witnesses can rightly claim:.

that less than 150,000 faithful christians existed prior to the 20th century....when allegedly millions were martyred during the first 3 centuries of the common era alone.

unique ability to interpret scripture...when interpretation of prophecy has been 100% wrong for over 130 years.. .

Konagirl

punkofnice - How do the Governing Body receive their communication from God exactly?

It’s a twisted ball of yarn for sure. God’s Word as stated in scripture is “inspired”. 2 Tim 3:16-17 The words of Christ are of “Spirit”, his teachings are inspired. The “word” from “Jehovah’s organization” is also “inspired”. Since God or Jesus apparently direct the organization through words, then whatever doctrines are distributed, are or become, inspired. I don’t know what year this teaching began, but we know the organization was labeled by its false teachers as the “spirit-directed organization”; thus, it is inspired. So, the GB can easily say they are not inspired, but then direct attention to the source of the organization’s inspiration, as their scapegoat for their failed teachings. Either it’s not God’s time to show them “new light”, or “Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food.” (w 17/02)

And yet Jesus said, “If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.” John 15:7 He is Truth. His words would never falter, never be wrong. (John 14:6)

It's horrible that these men convince JWs that any new words/doctrine from the mouths of uninspired men, are “truth”. They’ve created their own modified “word of God”, to fit their organization - their idol.

I can totally see the spiritual “beasts” of Revelation applying to the Watchtower and its false prophets. One “directs” the other. (Rev 13:11,12) Anyone who rejects either one or both, is “killed”, disfellowshipped. The UN, whom they say is the “Beast” of Rev 13:1 doesn’t hunt down and kill people who reject it – especially the “saints”/chosen ones. That entity doesn't even know who they are. (Rev 13:5-7;11:1-3,7)

Rev 13:15 - The second beast was ·given power [or allowed] to give ·life [breath; a spirit] to the idol of the first one so that the idol could speak. And the second beast was ·given power [allowed] to ·command [cause; make] all who will not worship the ·image [idol] of the beast to be killed. (EXB)

1 Tim 4:1

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20 Things I Don't Understand about Jehovah's Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

i don’t understand how jehovah’s witnesses can rightly claim:.

that less than 150,000 faithful christians existed prior to the 20th century....when allegedly millions were martyred during the first 3 centuries of the common era alone.

unique ability to interpret scripture...when interpretation of prophecy has been 100% wrong for over 130 years.. .

Konagirl

Fisherman - " And have translated the Bible to the modern language of the people in practically every language on earth."

Matt 24:24 - For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect (“chosen”).

“false christs…pseudochristos

“false” - pseudēs - untrue, i.e. erroneous, deceitful, wicked:—false, liar.

“christs” – christos - anointed, i.e. the Messiah

To make this clearer for you –

For deceitful, wicked, lying anointed (your leaders) and false prophets (your leaders) will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the chosen.

"Behold, I have told you in advance.” Matt 24:25

Fisherman - "JW help people to put their faith hope and confidence in God."

Many people put their faith, hope and confidence in God, without attaching Him to an organization - - "Jehovah's organization". That is something that JWs cannot, and will not do. It begs the question, which is more important in the life of a JW, God, or the organization.

“To whom would you liken Me
And make Me equal and compare Me,
That we would be alike?" Isa 46:5

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20 Things I Don't Understand about Jehovah's Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

i don’t understand how jehovah’s witnesses can rightly claim:.

that less than 150,000 faithful christians existed prior to the 20th century....when allegedly millions were martyred during the first 3 centuries of the common era alone.

unique ability to interpret scripture...when interpretation of prophecy has been 100% wrong for over 130 years.. .

Konagirl

False. JW have erred in interpreting the year of the great tribulation but not in interpreting prophecy or scriptures relating to the time of the end and the overall meaning of the Bible and the meaning of each scripture in the Bible such as hell, mortality of the soul, Jesus is not God, etc. —Too many to mention. The Bible educational work of JW is the greatest in human history. As Jesus predicted that his followers would do work greater than his proving JW have the backing of Jesus.

Surely you are joking? Why would Jesus back a lie, or a predicted date for Armageddon that failed...more than once? Why would Jesus support disfellowshipping, a wickedness which fosters love among the greater number to grow cold? (Matt 24:12) Why would he support an earthly organization riddled with child abuse, lawyers and court cases?

Yes, surely you must joking. Please forgive me if I fell for the joke.

"On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, drive out demons in your name, and do many miracles in your name?’ 23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you lawbreakers!’" Matt 7:22-23

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What is the harm or downside of being PIMO?

by PimoElder in

what is the harm or downside of being pimo?.

i get all the good things about being in the cong, good social life lots of invites to bbqs and meals out.

lots of interesting gossip 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Konagirl

Definition of integrity –

The quality or state of being complete; unbroken condition; wholeness; entirety.

The quality or state of being of sound moral principle; uprightness, honesty, and sincerity.

The quality of integrity is a goal that should come to permeate one’s whole being as an example for others to recognize and emulate. Jesus provided that example for us to follow. I’m not saying it’s easy, but a person who refuses to make the effort to raise himself to the level of whole sincerity and honesty, to be an example of those things in front of others and putting others before themselves, are in effect practicing the same sort of trickery as the early Pharisees, and the governing body today. The simple label of “conman” comes to mind.

I’ve heard others say that the organization is closer to “truth” than any other religious organization. No, not according to words of Christ.

Then he called his disciples and the people around him, and said to them, “If anyone wants to follow in my footsteps, he must give up all right to himself, take up his cross and follow me. The man who tries to save his life will lose it; it is the man who loses his life for my sake and the Gospel’s who will save it. What good can it do a man to gain the whole world at the price of his own soul? What can a man offer to buy back his soul once he has lost it? If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this unfaithful and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in the Father’s glory with the holy angels around him.” Mark 8:34-38

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Directions that don't make sense to us

by Longlivetherenegades in

at times those appointed to take the lead may give direction that does not make sense to us.

however, jehovah blesses obedience.

.......watchtower november 2021 study article 47 paragraph 11. for example:for example: so the king(david) said to joab go take a census of israel (2 samuel 24: 1.....) .

Konagirl

"All of us must be ready to obey any **instructions** we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not." Watchtower 2013 Nov 15 p.20"

"The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in **organizational direction**. w17 February p. 26-27

So…again from the article:

“Meditate on such examples.”

Okay.

“Doing so will strengthen your resolve to cooperate with **organizational arrangements** now and in the future."

It only strengthens one's resolve to reject the doctrine of men. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

"Be sure to do everything I command you. Never add anything to it or take anything away from it". Deut 12:32

"Add nothing to His words, lest He reprove you and expose you as a fraud". Prov 30:6

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Directions that don't make sense to us

by Longlivetherenegades in

at times those appointed to take the lead may give direction that does not make sense to us.

however, jehovah blesses obedience.

.......watchtower november 2021 study article 47 paragraph 11. for example:for example: so the king(david) said to joab go take a census of israel (2 samuel 24: 1.....) .

Konagirl

I had to look at the article.

"We know from his Word and from the experiences of faithful servants that obedience saves lives. (Exod 14:1-4; 2 Chron 20:17) Meditate on such examples. Doing so will strengthen your resolve to cooperate with organizational arrangements now and in the future. "

Both of those scriptures involve God and His prophet, Moses. I hate it when they constantly compare themselves to Israel under Moses; when they admit they are not "inspired", and are not prophets. Or when convenient, they compare themselves to the apostles - usually when new "decrees" are introduced. Somehow, according to A. Morris, these decrees come down from God to the organization, and into the mouths of uninspired men...who are not prophets.

Right. None of it "makes sense"!

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What are Jehovah's Witnesses' stance on home ownership?

by timothytha in

what do people usually think of when they buy a house?

"i will probably live here for a long time" (you're invested with your time), "i will save money by building equity over time".

(you've invested in yourself financially for the long run) of course, i wouldn't be able to list the numerous reasons why people want to buy a house.

Konagirl

@Hosier - I totally agree.

I understand that there is at least one GB member who has personal investment properties. These leaders are humans, we are all humans. We make our own choices, but for any humans of an organization which invests in land to build compounds that provide its leaders comfortable housing, and which has confiscated every kingdom hall deed around the world…for such leaders of an organization to tell ANYONE what a person should do about buying a home, is hypocrisy. If I didn’t have this home I live in and the space it sits on, I would not have a place of respite for young ones who have been rejected by their JW parents; who also by the way, own their homes.

I have camped in a van for long periods of time, lived in apartments, taken a hovel of a house and remodeled it along with my ministerial servant husband at the time, to provide adequate housing for our little children, and doing the same changes over the years according to job opportunities. And all the while, making sure we “put the kingdom first”, which translated into slaving for a "beast" of an organization, run by modern-day Pharisees. (Rev 13:1,2,11,12)