am the turd comes the closest to just coming right out and telling jws they have to do it.
he says, 'there's no need to worry, just keep doing what works: wear masks, wash your hands and get vaccinated when possible'.
the busybodies are going to be even more insufferable now than they have been.
Anony Mous - "We are fighting hard to get publicly released data, there is some really good data coming from John Hopkins and other places, there are therapeutics now that are more effective than the vaccine, this pandemic is over for all intents and purposes."
It will be of my interest to read, once released. This was sent to me. The pdf link is within the article: https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-12-02-smoking-gun-pfizer-document-exposes-fda-criminal-cover-up-of-vaccine-deaths.html
am the turd comes the closest to just coming right out and telling jws they have to do it.
he says, 'there's no need to worry, just keep doing what works: wear masks, wash your hands and get vaccinated when possible'.
the busybodies are going to be even more insufferable now than they have been.
Anony Mous - Since 2019 this type of heart disease has increased by nearly 3M deaths annually, now outstripping the previous leaders neonatal and lower respiratory conditions (poverty-related issues). So our lockdowns and related issues (worldwide economic shortages) has killed nearly 3 times more people than COVID.
Incredible. On a daily basis, heart disease was already double the amount of covid-related deaths, followed by cancer, still ahead of the covid tally. I believe other physical complications than what you mentioned, specifically from the ingredients in the vaccine, will also probably cause these two to soar over the next few years. And one of the two, heart disease or cancer may eventually take down the aging GB members. The vaccine is like a band aid that won't stick.
I've had covid and am in my 60's. I have no underlying health problems, but it took a month to get over the severe fatigue. I have a 40 year-old niece who is very overweight and diabetic, and had covid for three days. Nothing seems to really makes sense in how this disease works, but I'm glad to have received natural immunity. And...I'm still taking quercetin with everything else, which I have for years.
i listened to geoffrey jackson’s latest talk “assisting our brothers materially “.
jackson presented some arguments, one of which was….jesus did not stop the widow from putting money in the contribution box in the temple.
basically saying regardless of your financial situation you have to donate.
@FFGhost - The whole time i was thinking "he is addressing some very specific criticism from <somewhere>."
Somebody really got under his skin, or someone on the GB, and Jackson was elected to deliver the message. They usually don't give two hoots about what "apostates" think. What prompted this strident defense?
I am sure that more than one person had great searing comments about AM3's talk, that got under their skin. And disfellowshipped anointed ones got involved also. https://www.facebook.com/groups/restorationofjacob/posts/1969395923233661
Jackson related the scriptures where Paul collected gifts/money for the holy ones who were poor. These people needed provisions to survive. He then translates that into the need for the organization to build kingdom halls and whatever else they devise in their mind – Ramapo. Forget the poor who need daily provisions throughout the world, but coerce the poor to give to Ramapo. Such hypocrisy.
But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. 8 But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
Is the GB beginning to grieve over their eager need for more money?
"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18 Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share." 1 Tim 6
That is the trademark of a true charity, and the GB are not exempt from this. They apparently took the vow of poverty, but I tell ya, those men are the most fleshly, well kept poor people I have ever seen. So...JWs give to the "poor" - the GB (and their dreams)?
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse! Gal 1:6-9
started to watch annual meeting.
morris speaking.
directly he compared gb now to the apostles in the bible.
"Directly he compared GB now to the apostles in the bible."
He's done that before to validate the ushering in of the organization's new "decrees". He actually used that word. They come from "Jehovah" even though the GB are not inspired to receive them. To use the apostles as their example, goes way beyond scripture.
The apostle Paul:
"When I was present with you and was in need, I wasn’t a burden on anyone, for the brothers, when they came from Macedonia, supplied the measure of my need. In everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you, and I will continue to do so. As the truth of Christ is in me, no one will stop me from this boasting in the regions of Achaia. 11 Why? Because I don’t love you? God knows. 12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from those who desire an occasion, that in which they boast, they may be found even as we. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as Christ’s apostles. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is no great thing therefore if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. 2 Cor 11: 9-15
Rev 2:2 - “I know your works, and your toil and perseverance, and that you can’t tolerate evil men, and have tested those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and found them false."
is bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.
full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.
consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).
but I am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the Bible.
If we are to believe that the actual events happening in the world are a sign of the Great Tribulation, then perhaps Watchtower’s lie of 1914 has become successfully embedded into our being. I’m not saying that stuff isn’t happening. I don’t walk around believing that all is right in the world when it’s not, but I keep in mind, Jesus’ words:
“Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.” Luke 17:20,21
He’s telling us that the literal earthquakes, the famine, and the wars between nations mentioned in Matt 24 are not the signs we are to look for. (Matt 16:1-3; Luke 12:54-56) It is similar to his account of the “yeast/leaven of the Pharisees”. His disciples thought he was talking about literal bread, when it was the teachings he was warning them of. ( John 16:6,11,12; 6:35)
If you believe it’s possible to be deceived, then you must believe that evil is behind it.
If we focus only on the literal, and forget the words of Jesus in Luke 17:20,21, someone is behind the curtain pulling our strings. We have been deceived. (1 Pet 2:1-3; 1 Tim 4:1) The Wt. interprets the signs Jesus gave his disciples in Matt. 24 as “pains of distress”. Before these signs are to occur, they say the kingdom was “born” in 1914. It is then followed with these “pains of distress”. The clearer translation for Matt 24:8 tells us that these symbolic signs are “birth pains”, and birth pains naturally come before birth, – the birth of the Kingdom of God.
Pretty twisted, isn’t it!
“tribulation”
“birth pains”
“the kingdom is within you”
“it does not come with observation”
Ask any woman who has given birth, and she will tell you that much of the Greek definition for “tribulation” can apply to birth - a pressing, pressing together, oppression, affliction, distress. Who’s giving “birth” to the Kingdom under severe tribulation, which is also a sifting, a sorting out of what is truth and what is a lie? (Luke 22:31) It is an analogy that is used in many places in the scriptures.
"For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.” Rom 8:22-24
The promised covenant signified by a woman (Gal 4:23,24,26), is in “labor” in Rev 12:1,2.
At this point, you probably don’t believe there are genuine anointed under the New Covenant, in the organization. Well, this is the same organization that has taken captive (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10) and deceived a spiritual people (“Israel”) into believing they must look at the world of literal events, instead of focusing on their own heart. (Matt 24:24,25) Truth or lies, they have to decide. (Joel 3:14) If they decide they are the victims of deceit by false prophets, and do something about it by their “testimony” to Christ’s words such as those above, they will fulfill these additional signs that Jesus and the scriptures tell us would occur – Luke 12:51-53; Mark 10:29,30; Matt 5:11,12; 10:17-19; John 16:2; Heb 13:13; Rev 13:15; 12:11
This happens in the opposite order than what the Wt. says. The anointed and those with them fulfill these signs as they are exiting the door of a judicial committee, leading to their exodus from the organization (another Sodom, another Egypt, Rev 11:8).
Who doesn’t experience internal “earthquakes” when we find out that what we’ve believed for years, is not “the truth”? When we realize it isn’t truth, we then perceive the spiritual “famine” that exists in the organization. (Ezek 5:16; Amos 8:11; Mal 2:7-9; Rev 18:8) Nations rising against nations? The anointed are “kings” from all nations. (1 Pet 2:9; Rev 5:9,10) I wonder sometimes just how many anointed ones have been disfellowshipped, since it became the thing to do. Why does the elder body label one as “apostate”, if not because of a verbal conflict that happens over what is true, and what is a lie.
If we read through the signs of Matt 24, it mentions the word, “deceive” in the NKJV, four times. It also mentions “false prophets” twice, “false christs” once. They deceive the “elect”/anointed. (Matt 24:24,25) A “wicked slave”, and its partners “drunk” on its teachings (elder body), “beats” down his fellow servants. This gives more evidence that the “kings” belonging to Christ, are at war with one another. (1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 1:1,5; 13:5-7;16:13-16) Ray Franz, whom most all of us have heard of, is just one example of an anointed one fighting in this war.
“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.” 2 Cor 10:3-6
One man, Jesus Christ, stated that the Kingdom will not come with observation (the Greek word means, “ocular evidence”); yet millions of people throughout the world will tell us otherwise, and the show goes on just as people prefer to believe. It’s as if they are saying, “see there!”. (Luke 17:21) As scripture says, “the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one”. 1 John 5:19
the watchtower—study edition | november 2021. .
13. how did prayer help one family who were unjustly treated?.
13 consider the experience of a sister named vero, who lives in the democratic republic of the congo.
"When Vero began to cry, her daughter tried to calm her by praying out loud and by repeatedly using Jehovah’s name in her prayer."
It’s as if the word, the letters together and how they roll off the tongue, is a talisman to JWs, and practicing this is how they come to “know” God. I fell into that same trap, and I was happy to use that name which segregated me from anyone else in the world, or so I thought. I used it when first studying to ward of the “evil spirits”, as I was told to.
But something clicked when I was disfellowshipped for speaking against lies, and supporting the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus said, They will [b]ban (“excommunicate”) you from the synagogue, (“congregation”) yet an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering a [c]service (“act of worship”) to God. 3 These things they will do because they have not known the Father nor Me.” John 16:2,3
Watchtower’s disfellowshipping marks a person as good as dead – spiritually dead. (Rev 13:15) When we drop the talisman, and we endeavor to really know the Father and the Son, we are rejected by our own “people”; humiliated and slandered for our testimony to Christ’s truth, just as Jesus was. (Matt 5:10-12; Heb 13:13; 2 Tim 3:12)
And as painful as it can be, it is a good thing. (Matt 19:29; Luke 9:25,26; Phil 1:21)
russel and his followers were a byproduct of the religious orthodoxy revolt that originated in europe.
this revolution of ideas crossed over to america seeding all the fringe groups who russel then became a part of.
this resistance to the establishment is similar to what we have seen recently with the q annon phenomena.
Although elders are considered “princes”, they can also be called, “kings”, since they say they “represent the royal priesthood”. (1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 5:9,10)
So, we have a large army of “kings” that rule over the nations/”Gentiles” of JWs.
The dual rulership, elders and the GB who direct them, is described perfectly by Jesus in Luke. He admonishes his disciples not to be that way.
Here’s a few translations of Luke 22:24-26
Then a quarrel broke out among the disciples. They argued about who should be considered the greatest.
25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of nations have power over their people, and those in authority call themselves friends of the people. 26 But you’re not going to be that way! Rather, the greatest among you must be like the youngest, and your leader must be like a servant. GW
24 A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. 25 Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. 26 But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. NIV
Within minutes they were bickering over who of them would end up the greatest. But Jesus intervened: “Kings like to throw their weight around and people in authority like to give themselves fancy titles. It’s not going to be that way with you. Let the senior among you become like the junior; let the leader act the part of the servant. Message
This clearly defines organized hierchy, and Jesus clearly rejects it. For JW leaders to say they follow Christ’s teachings closely, and are obedient to his words, shows their utter hypocrisy.
proverbs 26:4. do not answer a fool according to his folly,.
proverbs 26:5. answer a fool as his folly deserves,.
that he not be wise in his own eyes.
Funny that you should bring this up, since I just read these two scriptures again recently, and at first glance thought they contradicted each other. But they don’t.
"Doesn't one of these ancient proverbs encourage engaging in debates with those unwilling to be persuaded and at the same time the other say doing so will only drag you down with them?"
In the first Proverb, the fool must be expecting some sort of answer; so, its basically saying, don’t answer a fool like a fool. (Matt 5:41) The second one seems to be saying, bring out the fool’s folly when you answer. So, in both cases, someone who is spiritually wise, would answer a fool with wisdom. If one is using spiritual wisdom and they choose to “debate”, I don’t see how in either case, the person would be dragged down. Sheesh, myself and many continually bring out the foolishness of the GB, and I know they read it, when I personally write it elsewhere. They just don’t want to have a face to face “debate”! They are wise enough to protect their own foolishness. (Prov 17:28)
These are interesting renditions of Prov 26:5 –
“Answer [and correct the erroneous concepts of] a fool according to his folly, Otherwise he will be wise in his own eyes [if he thinks you agree with him].” AMP
“Answer fools when they speak foolishly, or they will ·think they are really wise [L be wise in their own eyes; C a wise person must read the situation to know whether to answer or not].” EXB
The apostle Paul: “We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.” 2 Cor 10:5
so anointed ones go to heaven and rule with christ.
men and women on earth can be of the anointed.
so does that mean woman are tranny's who are of the anointed?
Wow, there are a lot of opinions here. Anointing didn’t stop in the first century. The problem today about who is anointed in the organization, is that they are not allowed to talk about their experience. They have to be “humble”, while the elders are “honored”, or so their magazines state. Some may be fake, but there are others who are definitely, spiritually “anointed”. Do they change gender in “heaven”? If that was the case, so too, would men change.
“There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Gal 3:28
This is a spiritual “oneness”, as members of the Body of Christ. (John 17:11,22; Eph 4:4-6) There is no gender rank among the anointed, but of course the Wt must make it happen. If all anointed are men, then when the Holy Spirit came upon the 120 in the “upper room” at Pentecost, did it skip the women who were in this group? Acts 1:12-14; 2:1-4
Phoebe was a “deacon” in the congregation. (Rom 16:1;Phil. 1:1;1 Tim. 3:8,12)
The Greek word means, “specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon or deaconess):—deacon, minister, servant.”
Well, that seems to be the job of male ministerial/elder servants today. The Temple is comprised of the anointed priesthood – “living stones”. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:20-22)
…and priests are the messengers and teachers sent to teach God’s laws. (Mal 2:7) Phoebe was fulfilling that role.
There is the account of women who prophesied in the first century, which required “inspiration” or an anointing, and prophets are part of the anointed Body of Christ. (1 Cor 12:28; 14:4,31; Eph 4:11-13; Acts 21:8,9)
Oh, and “two classes”, and earthly one and heavenly one? That can be blown out of the water when reading Gen 28:10-17. I don’t believe heaven is a stationary place, but a spiritual state. Jesus said, the “angels” (meaning “messengers”, and they are priests) would be ascending and descending between this spiritual “heaven” and earth “on the Son of Man” (John 1:51) This makes sense, since “Israel” is Jacob and it is Jacob’s descendants that inherits the earth, just as Jesus did as the firstborn promised “seed” of Abraham, and the second Adam. (Rom 8:29; Col 1:18; Gal 3:16,29) They are a “new creation”, born human and also spirit-born. (2 Cor 5:17;15:42-46,49)
Jacob…”Israel”…”New Jerusalem/Jerusalem above”…the Bride… all describe the anointed under the New Covenant. (Gal 4:26) New Jerusalem “comes down from heaven” and is with mankind – which leads us back to the stairway between heaven and earth. (Rev 21:2,3)
Oh, and a “harlot” has described the nation of Israel in the past. (Ps 106:39; Jer 2:20) This is a spiritual connotation showing they slipped into spiritual adultery and idolatry. To be part of the faithful Bride of Christ as “virgins”, signifies spiritual purity. (2 Cor 11:2;6:15,16) They must uphold Christ’s truth, not lies of today’s “harlots” who rule over the anointed in the organization. (Rev 2:20,21; 13:11,12; 17:3-5)
I know, that’s a lot, and compressed. The Wt. has done an incredible job of twisting and turning any truth about the anointed, into a deceitful lie.
from a theological and biblical perspective, this has to be asked and critically examined.. the doctrines this organization and its self described fdsl (gb) chosen ones has preached and taught have now more than ever have shown to be false teachings.. the bible warns of false prophets and those who say things that god has not given them to say but the wts from its earliest beginning made proclamations such as jesus's return in 1874.. so if one were to faithfully adhere to what the bible says and more so jesus's instructions for preaching his gospel of a new kingdom to come, who really are jws loyal to, the wts.
and its top leading men or jesus and jehovah ??
?..
"Why did Jehovah choose false prophet apostates as his chosen earthly organization (1919)?"
Sometimes the simplest question brings to light, the simple truth.
He didn’t choose them, or the organization, otherwise His words denouncing false prophets, would be lies. (Deut 18:20; Jer 23:21,22) But we see JWs choosing the lies. (Jer 5:31)
And since He didn't send them, then someone who is an expert at manipulation and influential deception, did. (John 8:44)
Matt 7:15-20; Luke 17:20-22; 2 Thess 2:1-4; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; 2 Cor 11:3,4,13,14; Rev 9:1-4; 8:10,11; 13:1,2,4,11,12,15; 16:13; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 19:20
It’s all a masquerade, using smoke and mirrors, to deceive the "saints". (Rev 13:5-7; Rev 20:7-10; Matt 24:22)
"So if one were to faithfully adhere to what the bible says and more so Jesus's instructions for preaching his Gospel of a new kingdom to come, who really are JWS loyal to, the WTS. and its top leading men or Jesus and Jehovah???."
Is it not true that they believe nothing/no one can bring down "Jehovah's spirit-directed (spirit breathed) organization"? (Rev 13:4,15)
In fact A. Morris just recently said, " Jehovah's organization is on the move, and it will not be stopped by the pandemic, or anything else".
Remove the organization, and JWs are lost...unless, they wake up and turn to God and Jesus Christ. (Rev 18:4-8)
