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  607 bce or 587 bce

  by jw in

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  jerusalem 607 bce vindicated.

  why jehovahs witnesses are right for sticking to the bibles chronology of 607 bce for the destruction of jerusalem.

  arguments for 587 bce are scripturally flawed, causing four bible prophecies to fail.

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  Jeffro

  post 932

  That material has never been debunked because apostates cannot refute that simple and clear exposition of scripture in relation to 607 BCE. If you read more widely and deeply you would recognize this fact.

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  607 bce or 587 bce

  by jw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jerusalem 607 bce vindicated.

  why jehovahs witnesses are right for sticking to the bibles chronology of 607 bce for the destruction of jerusalem.

  arguments for 587 bce are scripturally flawed, causing four bible prophecies to fail.

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  Auld Soul

  You are talking rubbish.Yes we believe that all of the references to the seventy years explain one historical period od seventy years marked by a period of exie, servitude and desolation from the Fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE until 537 BCE The prophecy by Jeremiah was confirmed by the contemporary prophet Daniel and later by the historian Ezra and the angel addressing the prophet Zechariah. Also the historian Josephus supports the biblical interpretation madxe by celebrated WT scholars. Conversely,, the Jonsson hypothesis has a distorted understanding of the seventy years which provides no definite chronology and posits several seventy year periods adding to its confused and untenable position.

  Apostates fall back on a unsupported date 609 BCE for the beginning of the seventy years when Jonsson himself admitted the possibility of 605 as a likely candidate. So, apostates do not know what date should commence this vital piece of biblical history.

  The end of Babylon in 539 BCE plays a part in the seventy years as it made possible by its Fall to the Return of the Exiles in 537 BCE thus ending the seventy years. The pre-exilic accounts and the post-exilic accounts perfectly agree with the prophecies of Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah and Daniel becuase they all discussed the judgements upon Judah and Babylon. There is perfect harmony with all of those prophecies and the interpretation of the seventy years by the 'celebrated'. This cannot be said for the whacky claims made by the Jonsson hypothesis as it perverts the message of all of those prophetic books.

  For simplicity sakes nothing beats our interpretation of matters as the apostates make the whole matter unbelievably complex as is evident by reading the summary of the seventy years presented in the GTR.

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  607

  by Zico in

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  can anyone provide me with any evidence (links to other sites is fine) that jerusalem could not have possibly fallen to the babylonians in 607?

  thanks again for your answers.

  zico

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  Alan F

  Do not fret, I will respond to your nonsense when I am good and ready and not before.

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  607

  by Zico in

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  can anyone provide me with any evidence (links to other sites is fine) that jerusalem could not have possibly fallen to the babylonians in 607?

  thanks again for your answers.

  zico

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  Alan F
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  607

  by Zico in

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  can anyone provide me with any evidence (links to other sites is fine) that jerusalem could not have possibly fallen to the babylonians in 607?

  thanks again for your answers.

  zico

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  Jeffro

  post 926

  Jeremiah 25:11,12, 26 refers to the seventy years for Judah and that the Foreign Nations would also receive judgement similar to Judah. Daniel 5;26 refers to the Fall of Babylon. There is no immediate conncection between these two sets of different prophecies.

  2. In addition to your listed research materials you omitted apostate literature. The seventy years is considered a 'round number' according to modern commentators in connection with Tyre. Yes, indeed Tyre was one of the foreign nations made to serve Babylon during Judah's servitude to Babylon.

  The seventy years is the best and greatest witness to the accuracy of 607 BCE for no other evidence is necessary. Your use of Josephus or your misuse of his writings is borrowed from Alan F who fails to provide evidence against 537 BCE.

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  607, 70 years, 1914

  by crazies in

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  sorry for the long post!.

  what the watchtower society says:.

  24 the book of truthful historical dates ***.

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  Jeffro

  post 924

  Well there were more than one exile for the Jewish people and during the reigns of Jehoiakim and Jehoiachin there was a exile for the nobility of Judah. This was followed ten years later by another exile involving Judah entirely to Babylon foretold by Jeremiah to be seventy years.

  I agree with you that ther seventy years for Tyre occurrred during the seventy years for Judah whereby that period was of Babylon's greatest domination. There is no chagrin here but a point of agreement as the Isaiah Commentary nicely explains.

  So, we have two seventy year periods, one for Tyre which ended with the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE and the other for Judah which ended with the Return to Jerusalem and Judah in 537 BCE. The former period was less than seventy years whereas the latter was a precise historic period of seventy years. Big difference between these two nations. Agree?

  Celebrated WT scholars have not provided a chronology for the Neo-Babylonian period because the data is unreliable at this time but they would love to do so if it were humanly possible. We all live in hope!

  A broadly-accepted view of 609 BCE is simply inadequate to begin any useful chronology for not only is the date too fuzzy but the event itself is too fuzzy. Any chronology built on such a wobbly foudation must fall over. Such a 'fuzzy' event has no support in the Bible as you mistakenly claim and that is why Jonsson is forced to consider the alternative 605 BCE.

  We all Babylon fell in 539 BCE. We also know that Babylon, its king, land and country would be desolated after the seventy years, a judgement prophesied by Jeremiah which ended in 537 BCE.

  So where then is the chronology for the kings of Tyre documented as you foolishly claim as 'well established"?

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  607

  by Zico in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can anyone provide me with any evidence (links to other sites is fine) that jerusalem could not have possibly fallen to the babylonians in 607?

  thanks again for your answers.

  zico

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  Terry

  I am rather flattered, honoured and humbled to be cast in the same mould by you with the late Frederick William Franz who undoubtedly was the greatest Bible Scholar of all time.

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  607

  by Zico in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can anyone provide me with any evidence (links to other sites is fine) that jerusalem could not have possibly fallen to the babylonians in 607?

  thanks again for your answers.

  zico

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  Jeffro

  Post 925

  1. No there was no limiting factor except in your imagination. Jerermiah did not discriminate in the that specific message of judgement as it was holus bolus judgement of king-country-land by means of desolation. That is what the prophet said. These three entities experienced that judgement after the seventy years ended as acknowledged by Applegate.

  2. What you studied was apostate litterature which ensnared you away from the truth to now rely on a useless and dead chronology. In the case of Tyre her seventy years as a 'round ' number simply representedf Babylon's greatest domination which was during the Jeremiac seventy years from 607 until 537 BCE.

  3. No, you have not posted this information but as a puppet of Alan F you have onlyrelied on his nonsense.

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  607 bce or 587 bce

  by jw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jerusalem 607 bce vindicated.

  why jehovahs witnesses are right for sticking to the bibles chronology of 607 bce for the destruction of jerusalem.

  arguments for 587 bce are scripturally flawed, causing four bible prophecies to fail.

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  Narkissos

  Exactly, biblical chronology is useless without biblical history which comes alive by means of biblical theology and prophecy all interwined as God's Revealed Word of Truth which apostates have nothing to offer as a substite but lies, trickery and empty words.

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  94

  607 bce or 587 bce

  by jw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jerusalem 607 bce vindicated.

  why jehovahs witnesses are right for sticking to the bibles chronology of 607 bce for the destruction of jerusalem.

  arguments for 587 bce are scripturally flawed, causing four bible prophecies to fail.

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  jw

  Excellent material and well done for presenting this material as it certainly vindicates the sacred date of 607 BCE for the Fall of Jerusalem rather than the demonic date of 585 or 587 BCE promoted by the Devil, higher critics and apostates. I will certainly use this material along with my other files on chronology to uphold and defend our illustrious Bible chronology developed by the celebrated WT scholars using God's Word and Holy Spirit.

  scholar JW