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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

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  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  stevenyc

  Better still go there as a tourist and see with your own eyes the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy that ancient city of Tyre not the modern city is just a place of fishing and museums, a reminder that God's Word does not lie.

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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  jayhawk 1

  Such an 'elite' group must remain unknown and unknowable.

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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  stevenyc

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  Nuts I am not for it a simple fact that when you current Neo-Babylonian chronology with Bible chronology researched by celebrated WT scholars, developed by the FDS and published by the Watch Tower Society, there is a small gap of twenty years. This means that NB data does not coincide with the comtemporary history of the Late Judean history. In other words for that same period the history of the Neo-Babyloians does not match up with the history of the Jews as recorded in the Historical and Prophetic books of the OT.

  It is not a matter of one proving this or the other disproving this for neither source or witness was written for the purposes of proving current debates about chronology. Each side, the secular Babylonian records and the sacred Scripures of prophecy and History were written for different purposes. Therefore, the modern reader must consult all of the evidence and take careful note of the reasons, agendas and purposes of both sacred and profane history. When it comes to reconstructing a chronology of the OT then one would logically assign primacy to the OT data and if one wishes to construct a chronology of the Babylonians then one assign primacy to that data respectively. When this is done such parallel data shows a twenty year difference. Therefore, the sincere must make a choice as to whiuch one is more authorative than the other and I believe as the Bible is inspired of God then that data must take precedence over the pagan Babylonian material.

  The question of the existence of the 'celebrated' ones is not for your knowledge or for others and your opinion on this matter is of little merit. As regards to disputes on chronology wel it is the apostates who create such disputes as they serve the Devil's purpose in blinding the minds of people to the reality of the Kingdom established Heavenly in 1914 and discerned with the 'eyes of faith'.

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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  Jeffro

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  I note a tone of frustration in your comments. Is the heat of my long and skilled research getting to your tired and borrowed ideas on chronology. You have provided no evidence for your views just a repetition of the Jonsson nonsense and I have demolished most of your arguments, those that remain will be disposed off in the course of my posting on this board. Never fear, scholar is here to hold your hand and guide you in the path of understanding.

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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  fullofdoubtnow

  So you abandon your former beliefs for what ? Spiritual darknes because you have left the 'light of truth' and have found nothing else, not even new beliefs, not even a new conversion. Is this really smart? To leave something for a nothing is just plain done and shows the state of your intellectual character and faith. You do not deal with doubt by abandoning such doubts but use those doubts as stepping stones to greater wisdom and understanding as found in God's Word and revealed by the Faithful and Discreet Salve and Holy Spirit.

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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  Alan F

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  You answered your own question for modern Tyre is now a modern land city probably consisting of the three parts as you describe. Ezekiel in his famous prophecy of judgement against Tyre in Ezekiel 26:4,14 refers to that Tyre as an ancient island city which even today that section remains a place of archaeology interest and a spot for a little fishing. Hardly rebuilt as you claim. Therefore, Jehovah's word came true exactly as foretold.

  Perhaps you should take a trip there but I would postpone such a trip until current hostilities cease and yo can make a comparison of all of Tyre both ancient and modern'

  Further, one scholar of Tyre's history, Nina Jidejian in her book Tyre Through the Ages (1969) states:"The port has become a haven today for fishing boats and a place for spreading nets" exactly as Ezekiel foretold -Ezekiel 26:5, 14.

  Further, Halley's Bible Handbook (2000) notes on page 422: "It never recovered its former glory and has for centuries been a 'bare rock' where fisherman 'spread fishnets' (26:4-5, 14), an amazing fulfilment of Ezekiel's prohecy that it "will never be rebuilt".

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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  Jeffro

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  I see from your ridicule that you at last have now finally grasped the essentials of the debate. It has taken scholar some time to educate you but you have now graduated. Well done! For others who have not grasped these essentials I list them below for your benefit:

  1. We say that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE

  2. Because the Bible proves this and Neo-Babyloian chronology almost proves it but falls short by a mere 'twenty years'.

  3.Important to recognize the scholarly disputes over the secular dates of 586,587,588 and 589 for the destruction of Jerusalem and that there is a period of error ranging from one year to three years all based upon the same data from the Neo-Babylonian period.

  4. We recognize that in support of biblical chronology derived from the research over many centuries from celebrated WT scholars that bad history = bad chronology and that accurate history =accurate chronology there the following facts must be true:

  Jeremiah in his prophecy at 25:1 mentions Jehoiakim's fourth year coincides with the Nebuchadnezzer's first year and that Daniel in his first verse correctly notes that Jehoiakim's 'third year of kingship coincides with the Nebuchadnezzer's 'eight year' when he made Jehoiakim a vassal king.

  The word 'kingship' is an accurate term for the Aramaic word malkut and is thus understood by Jewish commentators and his consistent with an understanding of the biblical account of the biography of Jehoiakim. We could argue that malkut can only mean reign but this would a corruption of biblical history.

  The Jews in the course of history had many exiles both under Assyria and Babylon. In the case of the latter there were two exiles, a minor and a major both described Jeremiah, Daniel and Ezekiel. The first described by Daniel in 1:1 saw Jehoiachin and the princes removed to Babylon followed ten years later by the complete desolation and depopulation of Judah for seventy years. Nebuchadnezzer loved to conquer and removed many peoples from their lands and these other forced exiles are described in Jeremiah 52.

  Jeremiah 25:12 decribes the importance of the historical period of seventy years in fulfilling Jehovah's judgements against the enemies of his people namely Babylon when after that period ended in 537 BCE saw the decline of Babylon and its eventual destruction and desolation. These 'seventy years' applied to Judah as shown by the opening words of this oracle concerning all the people of Judah and Jerusalem alone.

  These facts concerning the fulfillment of prophecy are not to be kept secet but are part of sacrd truth which the King Jesus Christ said would be preached throughout the earth as is done this day by his Witnesses.

  Apostates who were former believers of the above truths prefer to keep quite about their 'new beliefs' because they are ashamed of their current spiritually dark condition. Sshhh!

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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  Dansck

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  I care nought for your insults because that is what apostates do well as they are masters of deceit and ridicule. I post on this board because it is a public forum and there is need to publicly defend Bible Teachings from the lies and half-truths coming from our opposers.

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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  ozziepost

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  Meeting up in person with a person expelled from the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is a No-No and once again you refuse to admit your status for you very well know what that is. So do not beat around the bush. My refusal to meet you in person is based upon the Scriptures in 2John verse 10.

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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  Jeffro

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  I agree with your sentiments because that is exactly how I felt when I read the second edition, supplement, the third edition, and the latest fourth edition of Carl Jonsson's Gentile Times Reconsidered. I thought at that time that this hypothesis was just a rehash of SDA chronology easily debunked because it fails to account for the biblical 'seventy years'. Consequently I have demolished such pathetic nonsense on this board over many years.

  scholar JW