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  The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

  by Doug Mason in

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  if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

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  aniron

  Post 825

  At this time I am unable to provide a list of as you say the mysterious group of 'celebrated WT scholars'.

  No blindfold but simply the Bible and clear thinking ability with its power of reason. Don't you love it?

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  The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

  by Doug Mason in

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  2. beliefs

  if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

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  Jeffro

  Post 1568

  Apostates are scared of scholar because he skilfully defends WT chronology knowing full well that his apology can be helpful to those 'weak in faith', having doubt sowed in their minds by such deceivers. Scholar is helpful.

  Your model is simply an interpretation biased in favour of Neo-Babylonian chronology with the illusion of being Bible-based. It simply an opinion and falls on the sword of the 'seventy years' which corrects the data by twenty years. Also, it false to history as it does not accurately with the reign of Jehoiakim and his vassalage to Nebuchadnezzer amongst many other things. Be aware of scholar's maxim;

  Poor history=Poor chronology

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  The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

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  Jeffro

  Post 1567

  Your chart does help you either because it is full of errors despite the fact that I liked the layout and format of data.

  According to your scheme you have two seventy year periods; seventy years of Babylonian domination and seventy years of denunciation whereas the Bible's clear testimony along with Josephus is that there was one definite historical period of seventy years of exile, servitude and desolation.

  scholar JW
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  The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

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  Jeffro

  Post 1566

  You know very well that our teachings are Bible -based because Bible texts are frequently cited in our literature and public preaching and teaching. The proof is in the pudding so to speak and cannot be denied.

  You ask for veriable dates so I provide FOUR dates : 607 BCE, 539 BCE, 537 BCE and 1914 CE. How good is that ?

  October in 1914 saw the world caught up in World War 1 which was the direct result of Satan;s expulsion to earth and the birth of the Kingdom. It is accepted therefore gu many thinkers that this changed the world forever and was the most significant year in modern history.

  I submit the following texts to prove that the seventy years was exilic: Jeremiah 25:11; 29:10 and the book of Lamentations for starters. Wanna play?

  scholar JW
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  The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

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  Lady Liberty

  Post 1987

  The WT writers have simply inserted a date by means of a bracket to alert the reader to the correct date. Simple as that. No deceit or trickery here except in your own mind.

  If you are truly honest and really believed in your accusation of deceit then honesty and integrity would have compelled you to put this matter to the Society for an explanation. Your refusal to do proves that you lack integrity. Good riddance !!!

  scholar JW
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  The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

  by Doug Mason in

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  2. beliefs

  if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

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  Lady Liberty

  Post 1986

  What those Bible Students were teaching was that 1914 would see the end of the Gentile Times and that has since been well established. It is true that such an understanding of matters also attracted certain speculations about the significance of that year that in fact did not materialize such as the end of the world.How one views such matters in the light of history and Bible prophecy is a matter of personal faith and choice and I do not believe that unfulfilled expectations are an error or failure but rather are expressions of faith and hope in God's promises for His people and mankind.

  It is not a matter of decieit or 'sanitization' as these are the traits of apostates who have no interest in God;s purposes or promises for the future. Their only agenda is to ridicule and destroy people's faith in the KINGDOM. Our history or Christian heritage is there for all to see, read and research so there is no need to hide anything, mistakes or errors are part of imperfect people and an imperfect Church but the Lord has chosen imperfect, humble ones to do His will during these last days, the time of the Great Harvest.

  When you have a good news, gospel or mission then you can criticize. If you are truly a Christian then how are you carrying out the Great Commission?

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  The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

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  mavie

  Post 562

  The fundamental difference between WT chronologists and secular chronologists is that the former give prioroty to the Bible as the innspired Word of God whereas the latter allow higher criticism to put the Bible aside and pay 'lip service' to its testimony. There will always be a conflict between secular records and the Bible record so one must choose which record is the most reliable and accurate especially when it comes to history and chronology.

  Celebrated WT scholars as with the rest of the scholarly community are interested in the progress of knowledge particularly in relation to the Bible and as new research comes to light which causes adjustments or confirmation of current practice then such research is utilized for the benefit of all peoples. Over many decades WT scholars have found it necessary to adjucst or 'fine-tune their chronology and this has also been the case with other chronologists. In short, the only difference between chronologists is the attitude to the Bible.

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  The "Seventy Years" explained

  by Doug Mason in

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  here is a picture-based explanation of the "seventy years" prophesied by jeremiah.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/70_years_of_servitude.pdf.

  please note that there are several pages and that you should set your pdf reader to full page.. as i said before, i have a red-green color vision deficiency, but this time i have taken the plunge and used color.

  please tell me where i need to make corrections with the colors.. as always, i appreciate your suggestions for improvements, corrections and additions.. doug.

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  Jeffro

  Post 1565

  I too have replied to every argument that you have posted. Ditto! Regarding Jeremiah 25:12 the exact wording "And it must occur that when seventy years have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king of Babylon and against that nation, is the utterance of Jehovah, their error, even against the land of the Chaldeans, and I will make it desolate wastes to time indefinite".

  Plainly, the calling to account was not the Fall of Babylon but her destruction as defined by being made desolate. This defined 'calling to account; is therein described and was applied to the king of Babylon, nation of Babylon and the land of Chaldea. Clearly, the recipients of the error did not experience that judgement in 539 BCE at the Fall but rather at a much later time which only commenced fulfillment only after the expiration of the seventy years in 537 BCE. It is simply impossible to use this text to prove that the 'calling to account' only happened at her Fall. Your theory is thus disproved.

  The numbering of the days of Babylon described by Daniel pertain to the Fall of Babylon which was also foretold by Daniel who not only prophesied Babylon's Fall but her destruction.

  Further, Jeremiah 25:12 begins what scholars call the OAN- Oracles Against the Nations where Jeremiah lists all those nations who had served the King of Babylon including Judah which were made to drink of wine of rage. And what that and how were all these nations called to account? It was by devastatation began in Judah which followed on to all of them. Jer. 25:18.

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  The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

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  Lady Liberty

  Post 1983

  You ask for facts but you are surrounded by them. They are found in our literature and I have dutifully repeated such on this forum over the last six year. They are contained in God's Word so read the Bible daily and that is the source of all necessary facts. Open your eyes and do not delude yourself by the cunning reasoning of apostates.

  It is you who have manipulated matters regarding Grayson's material. The Society has simply quoted the source, given the appropriate reference and then inserted by means of brackets a date. This is not deceit as you allege but simply the employment of academic convention. If you have a problem with this then write to the Society about it for it is their business, their Style Manual or others that is used. I am not responsible for their writing style so if you have a pwoblem go to the source and not to me.

  Again you make a mountain out of a molehill and you show a hatred of 607 because of pride. Jehovah reveals his truth to the humble ones not the proud and arrogant ones. Read God's Word daily and seek the truth!!

  scholar JW
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  The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

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  Jeffro

  Post 1563

  Our teachings are in fact Bible based as you well know and this is proved by reading our publications. If you insult our teachings then you insult the Bible and its Author, Jehovah God.

  Our dates are derived from a properly constituted Bible chronology and stand on their own merits. Many of these dates relate to events enshrined both in Bible history and prophecy which further demonstrates their validity. As you are now forced to concede that 1914 as a prophetic date did see its fulfillment with the outbreak of the Great War from June right through to October.

  The margin of error of twenty years located within NB chronology is proved by the presence of the 'seventy year' period which is the most important event in both NB history and Judean history. You ignore this event at your own peril. The so-called synchronization of Egyptian chronology with that of NB chronology also requires interpretation but such reconciliation raises many problems. This chronology and history also does not factor in the seventy years nor does ity factor in the foretold 'forty year' desolation under Nebuchadnezzer. No comfort here my boy!

  The twenty year gap exists not because of any supposed flaws in our interpretation but simply a recognition of what the Bible actually says in the text, i.e. seventy years, a period of desolation-exile-servitude. You have a biiigg pwoblem.

  scholar JW