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  70 years = 607?

  by allelsefails in

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  70 years of captivity?.

  i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

  that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

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  Leaving WT

  I am glad the existence of the 'celebrated' ones makes you happy just think how it affects me

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  70 years = 607?

  by allelsefails in

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  70 years of captivity?.

  i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

  that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

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  Barefoot Servant.

  No lies arr needed because the Bible is quite definite about the matter. There is compelling evidence both from the Bible and secular history that the Jews returned home in 537 BCE by the seventh month and even the apostae Jonsson has to concede this point even though he promotes 538 BCE with considerable difficulty. The date 537 is in harmony with the best and most recent scholarship.

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  70 years = 607?

  by allelsefails in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  70 years of captivity?.

  i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

  that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

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  Ultimate Reality

  You talk nonsense. Josephus refers to the seventy year as a period of desolation, servitude and exile running from the destruction of the Temple, city and land until the Return of the Jews under Cyrus when one looks at all of the references together. Thus the overall description of the biblical seventy years is in accord with the longtime understanding of matters by the 'celebrated WT scholars.

  There is of course the statement by Josephus wherein he refers to a 'fifty year period of obscurity' which can either be interpreted as a copyist's mistake or a comment about the state of the temple within his forementioned defined 'seventy year' period. Either way this reference harmonizes with Josephus' previous comments/

  scholar JW
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  70 years = 607?

  by allelsefails in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  70 years of captivity?.

  i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

  that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

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  allelsefails

  The date 607 BCE is the only possibile date for the Fall of Jerusalem according to the Bible, the other dates of 586 or 587 BCE simply omit important biblical history so these dates fall short of the true date by twenty years. Apostates and secular scholars fail to give the Bible precedence over the interpretations of archaeology and thus fail to recognize the importance of the seventy years. The date of 609 bce is useless for the dating of the captivity because nothing happened in that year for the Captivity proper did not commence until the land was desolated in 607 BCE. 609 BCE is simply a 'furphy'.

  There is much evidence that the seventy years was a period of captivity-desolation and servitude running from the Fall of Jerusalem to the Return of the Exiles and this view is supported by all of Scripture and the testimony of Josephus. There are many varied interpretations of the seventy years but not a single one of them is practical, based on Scripture, faithful to history and archaeology. A careful reading of the Zechaiah and Jerememiah texts prove the above as well as that of Daniel and Ezra and I have argued these points in some detail on this forum over the last seven or eight years.

  There is clear evidence that the seven times prophecy of Nebuchadnezzer known as the Gentile Times had a major fulfillment after Nebuchadnezzer and this is clearly seen from a careful reading of the entire chapter 4 of Daniel in both the Masoretic text and the Old Greek for starters. Of course apostates have none of this but there specious pleadings well represented by the Jonsson nonsense amounts to opinion and an individual exegesis.

  Further, what also proves the validity of WT Bible based chronology as developed by those 'celebrated WT scholars' is the simple fact that 607 BCE nicely and providentially begins the prophetic period of the Gentile Times ending in 1914 CE. Such a fact inspires faith and it is faith that forms the basis of prophecy.

  scholar JW
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  Changes to the Kingdom Interlinear

  by PanzerZauberei in

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  in the 1969 kit the society used a book by bible scholar justus lipsius as source material for their upright stake "stauros" doctrine of the death of christ.

  they used an image of a man hung on an upright stake with no crossbeam attached to it.

  then they placed a caption under it saying that the illustration came from lipsius.

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  Atlantis

  Absolutely, the Society is not ambivalent on this matter as the evidenc eboth secular and biblical proves that Jesus died on a stake rather than a pagan cross. Again your focus is wrong for the statement of 'anatomic absolutes' refers to the body of Christ and not the instrument of his death.

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  Changes to the Kingdom Interlinear

  by PanzerZauberei in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the 1969 kit the society used a book by bible scholar justus lipsius as source material for their upright stake "stauros" doctrine of the death of christ.

  they used an image of a man hung on an upright stake with no crossbeam attached to it.

  then they placed a caption under it saying that the illustration came from lipsius.

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  Leolaia

  It is you that fails to see the point because the introductory statement to the reference to Lipsiius says "illustrated impalement on an upright stake", there is no mention of Christ in this immediate context so your contention that both references refer to Christ is wrong. The former, namely the sculpture refers to Christ and the stake whereas the latter refers to the stake alone. If you are having this much trouble with comprehension how can your treatise on the cross vs stake be taken seriously. Regarding your treatise why is it that you make no mention of these relevant pieces of secular eviidence?

  scholar JW
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  Changes to the Kingdom Interlinear

  by PanzerZauberei in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the 1969 kit the society used a book by bible scholar justus lipsius as source material for their upright stake "stauros" doctrine of the death of christ.

  they used an image of a man hung on an upright stake with no crossbeam attached to it.

  then they placed a caption under it saying that the illustration came from lipsius.

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  Leolaia

  Right, so Lipsius' illustration agrees with example of the Michelangelo sculpture for both depict a stake with the former believed to be that of a figure of Christ.

  scholar JW
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  Changes to the Kingdom Interlinear

  by PanzerZauberei in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the 1969 kit the society used a book by bible scholar justus lipsius as source material for their upright stake "stauros" doctrine of the death of christ.

  they used an image of a man hung on an upright stake with no crossbeam attached to it.

  then they placed a caption under it saying that the illustration came from lipsius.

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  villabolo

  I care naught what Randy Watters says and photocopying Lipsius ' work is a waste of time because all that the Society states is that his book contains a picture of a stake with no other implication for the content of the book discusses the cross in history and the evidence clearly proves that Jesus died on a stake and not a cross so we can be eternally grateful to the celebrated WT scholars for this piece of brilliant scholarship.

  scholar JW
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  Changes to the Kingdom Interlinear

  by PanzerZauberei in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the 1969 kit the society used a book by bible scholar justus lipsius as source material for their upright stake "stauros" doctrine of the death of christ.

  they used an image of a man hung on an upright stake with no crossbeam attached to it.

  then they placed a caption under it saying that the illustration came from lipsius.

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  Leolaia

  The answer to your question is rather simple for if you had read the first paragraph of the article you would have seen that it was responding to an alleged sculpture by Michelangelo of a figure of Christ with his hands stretched above him rather than to the side. This observation of a perhaps 16th century Michelangelo nicely parallels the research by Lipsius of the same period his foremost book on the Cross which contains illustrations of a crux simplex as an instrument of execution. The sculpture of Christ alone shows that even at that time there was some uncertainty about the instrument of Christ's death and it nicely coincides with the Catholic piriest Lipsisus observation on matters.

  scholar JW
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  Changes to the Kingdom Interlinear

  by PanzerZauberei in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the 1969 kit the society used a book by bible scholar justus lipsius as source material for their upright stake "stauros" doctrine of the death of christ.

  they used an image of a man hung on an upright stake with no crossbeam attached to it.

  then they placed a caption under it saying that the illustration came from lipsius.

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  PanzerZauberi

  Your claim that the WTS with its NWT and KIT has been misleading with the use of the illustration of the stake by Justus Lipsius is false and misleading. If you had taken the trouble to read the context of all of the presentations in the above you would simply find that this illustration was simply used to show an example of being hung on a stake which of course as the evidence shows was the instrument used for the execution of our Lord.

  scholar JW