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  Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

  by Lobsto in

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  a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

  two days ago, i received a response from them.

  i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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  johnamos

  Is the WTS there citing verse 11 and claiming that those 70 years "represent the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination"?

  Is the WTS there stating that at the END of those 70 years that that domination comes to its end (will crumble)?

  Did the WTS there point out that Babylon came to an END (fell/crumbled) in 539?

  If that domination came to an end in 539 and that was the end of the 70 years, then what precise year did the 70 years begin?

  You ask of the said scholar, 4 questions which are addressed as follows:

  1. No, the 70 years pertaining to apply Jer.25:11 apply to the desolation of Judah in combination with other nations other nation made to serve the Kingship of Babylon.

  2. At the end of those 70 years the desolation of Judah ceased, their Exile came to end with their Return in 537 BCE and their servitude to Babylon ceased also in 537 BCE.tHE domination of Babylon over Judah and her peoples had then come to an end.

  3. Babylon fell in 539 BCE which opened the way or the three vents to occur in 537BCE as mentioned in my above answer.

  4. 539 BCE did not represent the end of the 70 years for Judah and possibly for the other nations but history is silent about these nations and their fate. Therefore this means that in the case of Judah the 70 years could only have begun in 607 BCE as all of the evidence proves.

  Well, it is like this, for something certainly blew in 1914 with the casting out of Satan and his cronies from Heaven to the Earth.

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  Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

  by Lobsto in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

  two days ago, i received a response from them.

  i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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  LeeT

  Why does Doug need to back a different horse? All he's doing is pointing out that the three-legged nag which is due for the knackers yard which you have placed your money on isn't going to win the race
  

  I regard Doug as a friend and I have counselled him on his many Studies and his scholarship as to its improvement. Criticism is fine and has its place but when seeks to enter the academic arena then not only must you critique the views of your peers but you must argue your case or thesis in order to be credible and this is where Doug falls short.

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  Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

  by Lobsto in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

  two days ago, i received a response from them.

  i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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  LeeT

  What makes equate the beginning of 70 years with the destruction of the temple rather than the beginning of a period of Babylonian dominance?
  What is the period in which "these nations" served Babylon for 70 years?

  Simple. It is Jeremiah's judgement message addressed to Judah of the Desolation of the Land which is described in some detail in Jer. 25:9-11. It cannot be a period of Babylonian domination because we cannot determine a precise year as a beginning of that Period. Was it 609 or 605 BCE for even COJ is confused about the matter shown by comparing his discussion of both dates in his 3rd and 4 the edn of his GTR.

  The focal text of the context is vs 9 which states that he judgement would be brought against the Land-its inhabitants and the surrounding nations all of which would become desolate and made to serve Babylon for a period of 70 years. Interestingly, the LXX omits any reference to the King of Babylon in that vs.11.

  Jer. 25: demands careful exegesis which I have done in consultation with leading technical Bible commentaries and studies of the scholarly literature all of which I have done and will continue to do for I have a Passion for Jer. 25:11.

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  Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

  by Lobsto in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

  two days ago, i received a response from them.

  i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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  johnamos

  So if you believe 607 is the year Jerusalem fell then you believe 629 is the year for the fall of Assyria, so do you understand that that means Babylon was ruling from 629-539, 90 years

  So What, let chips fall where they may!!!'

  
  Jeremiah 25:11 states that the nations would only have to serve Babylon 70 years, that's why we can say that 609 is the correct date for the fall of Assyria which would mean Babylon ruled from 609-539, 70 years and that also means that the fall of Jerusalem was in 587

  Jer. 25:11 applies to Judah along with other nations or peoples that had to serve Babylon a full 70 years which ended after Babylon fell in 539 BCE for the following verse, v. 12 is now addressed to Babylon. So the focus has shifted from Judah as described from vs. 1-11 and shifts to Babylon as described in vs. 12-14 then from vss, 15-38 the judgement message is now addressed to the other nations.

  So, the subject or focus of Jer. 25:11 is not any serving to Babylon but the Land of Judah as shown by the immediate context from vs.9. Also, the 70 years in some Bibles is mentioned at the beginning of the text rather than the end which helps the reader to get the sense of this text.

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  Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

  by Lobsto in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

  two days ago, i received a response from them.

  i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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  punkofnice

  Your listing of the reigns of the Babylonian Kings is falsified by the biblical seventy years which proves that there is a 20 year Gap between Neo-Babylonian Chronology and Bible Chronology. The fact is that the biblical evidence proves that 607 BCE is the only possible date for the Fall of Jerusalem for the dates of 586 or 587BCE are impossible regardless of how impressive Neo-Babylonian Chronology appears.

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  Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

  by Lobsto in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

  two days ago, i received a response from them.

  i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Are you saying that 1799, 1874, 1878, 1914, 1918, 1919, 1925, 1975, reflect outstanding scholarship?

  Why not?

  What non WTS affiliated scholars say that the NWT is the most accurate translation?

  Try Jason de Buhn

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  Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

  by Lobsto in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

  two days ago, i received a response from them.

  i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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  Finkelstein

  For a so-called group of novice bible scholars who have turned Christendom's scholarship upside down and inside out by means of not only producing outstanding scholarship with Bible Chronology but have also produced the finest and most accurate Bible translation -New World Translation ever made. Pretty good, HUH!!!!!!!

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  Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

  by Lobsto in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

  two days ago, i received a response from them.

  i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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  Vanderhoven7

  This situation to hand reminds me of a famous saying by a US military general who said: 'If everyone is thinking the same, then Who is doing the thinking?" Thus, it would appear that in contrast with the 'celebrated' WT scholars', Bible scholars do not have the same regard of the Bible as the inspired Word of God.

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  Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

  by Lobsto in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

  two days ago, i received a response from them.

  i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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  Vanderhoven7

  I do not know one non-WT affiliated Bible scholar that accepts 607 BCE for the Fall.

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  Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

  by Lobsto in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

  two days ago, i received a response from them.

  i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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  Finkelstein

  o Scholar are you a practicing baptized Jehovah Witness ?
  

  And perhaps how would you like to comment about the WTS's date setting of 1914 and their chronological calculation when Jesus himself said clearly that no one knows of the time not even he.

  He also admonished is true faithful followers to not set a time upon god's own sacred time.

  There is much condemnation and warning of false prophets in the bible as well such as 1 John 4:1 .------------

  Proudly Yes

  Have you not heard of the Gentile Times? Such a doctrine underscores 1914CE

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