i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
Finkelstein
WT Chronology embraces all of the facts, biblical, historical, secular and textual evidence for nothing is omitted or ignored. The facts pertaining to the reign of Nebuchadnezzar are well attested in the Bible and these form the basis of our wondrous Bible Chronology and this is well verified by the fulfilment prophecy culminating to the year 1914 CE
scholar JW emeritus
i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
Hi Doug
Alan F's article is simply a summary of 4 differing methodologies in trying to resolve the still remaining dilemma of the 586/7 debate and that remains the problem of METHODOLOGY. The celebrated WT scholars have adopted a very different methodology in not being hamstrung by differing and competing calendrical systems used at that time. Our methodology fully accounts for the 70 years of Jeremiah which allows the fixing of positive dates for positive events making it easy to ascribe biblical events to a modern scheme of Bible Chronology.
scholar JW emeritus
i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
Doug Mason
Hi Doug
Actually, Young's article proves 607 BCE for the Fall of Jerusalem as the only viable candidate for that event and demonstrates the wisdom and methodology used by the celebrated WT scholars during the forties. It was the said scholar who first introduced Young's scholarship to this forum many years ago and scholar did so because the article demonstrates the role of Methodology in developing a Bible Chronology. the article which is difficult for most readers to understand does not resolve the confusion about the 586/587 debate which remains even to this day a sore point for historians and scholars. Young's article is simply a hypothesis and therein lies the problem whereas WT Bible Chronology is easily understood, simple and is based on all biblical, secular and historical data. in short, it works and works well because it makes Bible prophecy intelligible.
scholar JW emeritus
in their letter to lobsto regarding the neo-babylonian chronology, the wts wrote the following regarding the early church fathers:.
less than 200 years after josephus, several early church writers clearly accepted that the length of the desolation or exile was 70 years, and no one gives any other length for this event.
for instance, tatian the assyrian (110 to 172 c.e.
Doug Mason
The URL link for Eusebius does not work as I get an Error 404 message on both my Internet Explorer and Googler Chrome browser.
scholar
in their letter to lobsto regarding the neo-babylonian chronology, the wts wrote the following regarding the early church fathers:.
less than 200 years after josephus, several early church writers clearly accepted that the length of the desolation or exile was 70 years, and no one gives any other length for this event.
for instance, tatian the assyrian (110 to 172 c.e.
Doug Mason
Most certainly as the Society's response covers the matter clearly:
Thus, while these ancient writers may not have been fully accurate in all the particulars, they do all agree on one point, namely, that the Jews were in captivity for 70 years, and some of these indicate that Jerusalem was desolate for the entire period.
scholar
in their letter to lobsto regarding the neo-babylonian chronology, the wts wrote the following regarding the early church fathers:.
less than 200 years after josephus, several early church writers clearly accepted that the length of the desolation or exile was 70 years, and no one gives any other length for this event.
for instance, tatian the assyrian (110 to 172 c.e.
Doug Mason
The references to the seventy years by the Church Fathers set out in the Society's reply to Lobsto and your quotations certainly confirm our interpretation of those seventy years as being a period of Exile, Desolation of the Land and Servitude to Babylon. You have misread or failed to understand the sources provided or you have your own agenda in this matter. Our vies is also supported by the Jewish Historian, Josephus and the Church Historian, Eusebius but the latter link for Eusebius does not appear to work so if you can post the quotation it would be appreciated without your comment on that quote.
scholar
in their letter to lobsto regarding the neo-babylonian chronology, the wts wrote the following regarding the early church fathers:.
less than 200 years after josephus, several early church writers clearly accepted that the length of the desolation or exile was 70 years, and no one gives any other length for this event.
for instance, tatian the assyrian (110 to 172 c.e.
peacefulpete
Much time has been expended trying to make sense of the 70 years of desolation claimed in parts of the Bible with no success. I have in the past presented what i feel was evidence that the so called desolation was in fact 49 years in duration and was know as such by one of the authors of Daniel. This is the conclusion drawn by most Bible commentaries and reference works. Also the matter of what actually happened verses the Bible's description of "empty land" has been posted here before. It has also been suggested by a number of authors that the significance of certain numbers (eg.3,7,10,12) to ancient superstitious peoples is reason enuf to interpret the 70 (7x10)as literary rather than literal. I ran across an interesting piece of parallelism in Babylonian texts
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The seventy years of desolation makes perfect sense so as it describes the biblical narrative perfectly so there is no need to worry about spending much time making sense of it for it is History based on solid Theology.
The desolation being of a period of 49 years is simply nonsense because that is not what the biblical texts say for it is simply a fictional number based on poor exegesis of the Jeremiah texts and of secular history. One only has to consult a number of leading Bible Commentaries and the scholarly literature to see that such a thesis is without scholarly support. The matter of the Empty Land continues to be of great interest to scholars which formed a basis of an International Conference some years ago and the said scholar has a great interest in this subject.
scholar
in their letter to lobsto regarding the neo-babylonian chronology, the wts wrote the following regarding the early church fathers:.
less than 200 years after josephus, several early church writers clearly accepted that the length of the desolation or exile was 70 years, and no one gives any other length for this event.
for instance, tatian the assyrian (110 to 172 c.e.
Half banana
Secular history finds no obvious 70 year period of exile and desolation. The attacks on Jerusalem clearly happened after Babylon had become the dominant power By 609 BCE. One of the sieges of Jerusalem was in 597 BCE when Jehoiakim and his son Jehoiachin were taken along with the Israel's elite.The major military siege and destruction of Jerusalem was completed by 586BCE. Jerusalem however was then desolated but the land especially to the north (Benjamin) has archaeological occupancy layers. No one outside JWs and the book of Ezra can find a seventy year desolation of Jerusalem
The seventy years of Jeremiah was a definite historical period of Servitude of Judah to Babylon, an Exile of the Jews in Babylon and the Desolation of Jerusalem, its Temple and Land of Judah from 607 BCE until 537 BCE. These facts are confirmed by secular history and the Ezra, Daniel and Jeemiah.
The attacks on Jerusalem could not have happened in 609 BCE as this was far too early marking possibly the end of Assyria as a World Power thus is too fuzzy a date in order to commence the seventy years. The desolation according to some scholars was only fifty years but this view is simply based on an incorrect chronology which does not account for that definite historical period of seventy years.
If it is true that only JW's and Ezra talk of a literal seventy years then that should be sufficient.
scholar
a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.
two days ago, i received a response from them.
i think this is gonna be the first of many.
Finkelstein
that’s the same reason I post and make comments on subjects like this , just to openly show how intellectual ignorant and perhaps corrupt most indoctrinated JWS are and can be.
Boy, scholar is breathless in the anticipation and in the reading of some weighty, dense material all in the futile effort to disprove WT Bible Chronology well constructed over the centuries by celebrated WT scholars-past and present!!!!!
scholar
a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.
two days ago, i received a response from them.
i think this is gonna be the first of many.
LeeT
A plain reading of Dan.!:1 supports the date 617 BCE. for it has nothing to say about the events that marked Neb's first year of reign but is dealing with events during the reign of King Jehoiakim representing his vassalage to King Nebuchadnezzer. It is evident because of several factors discussed in the article 'JEHOIAKIM' in Insight On The Scriptures.
Yes, scholar can provide the evidence but scholar wants to train you to think, so see if can understand the material then get back to me and scholar will kindly help you for scholar loves to help the little people.
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