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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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MeanMrMustard

No for there are various translations for Jer.25:11such the New English Bible which renders the text this way:'For seventy years this whole country shall be a scandal and a horror,these nations shall be in subjection to the king of Babylon".

It is only for Judah that we a defined history for their servitude to Babylon as for the other nations roundabout we have no similar defined history.

Jeremiah clearly states that other nations would also serve Babylon but Judah would serve for a precise period of 70 years.

Babylon certainly received a judgement with its Fall in 539 BCE but the final calling to account only took place after the 70 years had ended in 537 BCE with its gradual demise in history leading to its total desolation.

So in verse 12 Babylon's judgement only begins after the end of the 70 years not before with its end of its city, kingship and land.

Nice and easy!!!!

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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MeanMrMustard

No it is not a simple verse to translate for the Hebrew allows for different translations of this verse. The nations would be in servitude but we do not know what specific histories apply to these nations but only with Judah is its servitude to Babylon defined.

Babylon's account to judgement could only begin after the seventy years had been fulfilled which rules out 539 BCE so this verse 12 could only apply after the release of the Jews in 537BCE in the straits of time with the gradual desolation of the kingship, city and land as foretold also by Isaiah.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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cha ching

The big problem for Neo-Babylonian Chronology with its dependence on numerous business tablets is that is falsified by the historic period of Jeremiah's 'seventy years'.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

You should do some research into the theology of the use of kairos both in the NT and the LXX as required of any decent exegete. You can start with Kittels' TDNT.

The correct interpretation indeed is found in that same chapter and therein you have both a literal and figurative application as nicely presented in WT publications.

it is a beautiful thing to learn that both the seventy years of Jeremiah and the beginning of the Gentile Times of Dr. Luke or the Danielic's 'seven times' began in the same year , 607 BCE with the Fall of Jerusalem!!!!!

You are obsessed with eisegesis rather than exegesis so you should commit to exegesis of Dan.4 first then see if there is a proper place for eisegesis and I would sy that the latter is unnecessary.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

Daniel's interpretation of the tree dream is recorded in the 4th chapter along with a discussion of God.s Kingdom also in that same chapter.' The use of kairos is always significant for exegesis for ignoring it leads to a false interpretation and a failure to get the correct interpretation of the seven times in Daniel and the Times of the Gentiles in Luke.

I have never said that Dan 4 is connected to the 70 years but the only thing that these two periods of time have in common is both began in 607BCE with the Fall and that is simply amazing as Jehovah God is truly the Revealer of secrets.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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MeanMrMustard

Jer,25:11 certainly refers to other nations who also are brought into servitude to Babylon but only for Judah that had to serve Babylon for a predetermined period of 70 years. After the 70 ended for Judah then as stated in vs 12 Babylon was to experience her judgement. The Babylonian rule or domination of Judah was to last for 70 years beginning in 607 BCE and ending in 537BCE.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Finkelstein

The said scholar is truly happy as he defeats the apostates single-handed.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

Daniel's interpretation of the tree vision centres around what happened to Nebuchadnezzer and to God's rulership so both are related to each other. The elements of the dream are figurative thus requiring interpretation which takes beyond Nebuchadnezzer's experience of banishment to God's active rulership which was current then and continues right up to the present.

The expression 'times' in Daniel 4 and Luke 21:24 is exegetically significant as both texts share the same Greek word 'kairoi' which has theological significance in terms of salvation history.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

Exegeis of Daniel 4 clearly indicate that the elements of the tree dream are figurative such as the tree, the stump with metal bands with its heart becoming human, passage of time of 7 times and the purpose of this dream was to remind peoples that God is mankind's Ruler. So the lesson applied to Nebuchadnezzer in the first instant but when one considers that right from the Introduction of the tree vision in vs.3 and to its conclusion in vs.34 it is clearly evident that God's Kingdom is thematic that the reality of God's Sovereignty is pictorially demonstrated.

Eisegesis is not necessary for the tree dream is a lesson about God's Kingdom as demonstrated by an historical episode in the reign of Nebuchadnezzer and consistent with the rest of the book of Daniel which develops that theme throughout the times.

It seems that you have a poor understanding of exegesis and eisegesis, both terms have a place in the broader subject of Hermeneutics.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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MeanMrMustard

It makes no difference as to whether Jer. 29:10 is translated 'for Babylon' or 'at Babylon' as the result is the same namely that the Jews remained in Babylon as Exiles for 70 years and the Jewish nation served Baylon for 70 years as Jeremiah had foretold exactly as the bible describes and in harmony with Josephus.

The said scholar is no troll just ask Doug Mason.

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