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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

In recent months it has come to scholar's attention the most recent article published in the scholarly literature on the subject of the Seventy Years. The article deals with the Exile which began with the Fall of Jerusalem and the Return of the Jews under Cyrus, a period of seventy years as foretold by Jeremiah and not ending with the Fall of Babylon as many critics of WT Chronology maintain. The article is titled 'The End of Exile: The Reception of Jeremiah's Prediction of a Seventy-Year Exile' by Steven M Bryan, Journal of Biblical Literature, 2018, Vol.137, no.1, pp.107-126

Enjoy!!!!

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

Finally, you have sen the light for any reader can see for himself/herself that Dan 4 must have both a literal and figurative fulfilment because of the literary structure of the tree dream, context within the book of Daniel and the terms used in Dan 4.

Neb began his reign much earlier than 605 BCE which is a date based not on Bible Chronology but on NB Chronology.so his humiliation must have occurred after his 18th year when he destroyed Jerusalem in 607 BCE.

The point of the dream was Kingship and as we are encouraged to discern the 'times' in the course of history accompanied with such prophetic formulae then such calculations are proper as part of Salvation History which includes and reveals the doctrine of the Gentile Times-Like 21:24.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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joey jojo

The methodology used is the 360 day/years system for interpreting prophecy combining with current calendrical systems as tp months and years as round numbers thus avoiding the problems with adopting 365 daily cycle. the subject is well explained in current WT publications in keeping with the KISS principle.

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A deeper examination of The New World Translation

by Terry in

shorturl.at/ouakr.

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Wonderment

Well said. Interestingly, Ken Mc Kay in his A New Syntax of the Verb in New Testament Greek,p.94 superbly translates John 8:58 "I have been in existence since before Abraham was born".

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

You have not just separated the Kingdom of God from the humiliation of Neb but you have extinguished it!!! The tree represented both Neb's world rulership and the universal sovereignty of Jehovah God as expressed by the Kingdom of God as recognized by Bible commentators, expositors and the celebrated WT scholars.

The connection between the seventy years and the seven times is inherent in Dan. 4 as shown by the reference to it in the OG translation of that chapter and is explicit in the fact that both events began at the same time in 607 BCE.

The point of the dream was to show Neb that he was subjected to a far greater rulership of the Heavens, God's Kingdom or sovereignty.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

You cannot separate the kingdom of God in Dan 4 from Neb's humiliation for that was then the point of the dream for to do so shows that you lack exegetical skills.

There is such an explicit connection, just do the exegesis of Dan.4.

Hermeneia commentary on Daniel is not to be overlooked so get cracking and study it.

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A deeper examination of The New World Translation

by Terry in

shorturl.at/ouakr.

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fulltime student

Yes I am acquainted with Chris Forbes, Edwin Judge and Stuart Pickering, John Lee and Greg Horsley and others all have or had an association with Macquarrie University which as an institution is at the forefront in NT Greek scholarship.

I understand that Forbes is an Anglican

He responded that too often in NT translation, the original text can have more than one meaning, a problem that makes translation difficult. (a problem, I think that makes YHWH look a bit of a numbskull).

True alternative renderings can be problematic but the insertion of the Tetragram into the NT is an example of the NWT being forward-thinking, advancing scholarship, proof of its brilliance.

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A deeper examination of The New World Translation

by Terry in

shorturl.at/ouakr.

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Diogeneisister

Not at all. I reject the other criticism of the NWT not on the basis of my degrees which do not include that of Koine greek but on the basis of my expertise of Koine Greek acquired by my doing a undergraduate course in NT Greek, knowledge of the subject and experience in using the NWT over many decades in company with the scholarly literature in relation to the subject.

This scholar is obviously very much ill-informed on issues tangential to the NWT such as the use of the Jehovah in the NT, Verbal Aspect and translation exegetical issues.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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bennyk

The matter of the 'fifty years' in Josephus may simply be one of the following:

scribal error

Quoting Berossus in error

Dating an event regarding circumstances in the Land whilst desolated marking 50 years within the overall time period of 70 years. You can pick any one of these scenarios.

The prophecies of Jeremiah most certainly refer to a 70 years period of desolation a 70 year period of Exile and a 70 year period of Babylonian domination/servitude all three events to run concurrently.

The beginning of the 70 years from 609 BCE as you claim is impossible historically and makes no sense because nothing of any relevance happened in that year.

Josephus states that the Temple lay in a state of obscurity for fifty years not desolation for he earlier said that the city was desolate during the interval of seventy years.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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MrMeanMustard

In connection with the translation of Jer.25:11 you should consult the major technical commentaries on Jeremiah and read what Rolf Furuli has written on the grammar of this text.

Yes one must read the context of this chapter and you will notice that in vs.1 and vs.9 which shows that the target is Judah and not Babylon.

The historical accounts in the Bible concerning Judah provide data that allows one to construct a clear chronology for Judah but such is not the case for the other nations.

Jer. 25:11 simply states that Judah along with the other nations would serve Babylon for a period of 70 years and scholar has always said that the 70 years was a period of desolation of Judah, an Exile of the Jews to Babylon and a period of servitude to Babylon beginning with the Fall in 607 BCE until the Return in 537 BCE.

But that is what Jeremiah explicitly states that it was only after the 70 years had been fulfilled or ended that a Judgement against Babylon would come into effect.

I have it exactly what Jeremiah states in vs.12/

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