i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
Finkelstein
The problem that you have is that the date 605 BCE although documented by secular Chronology thus far it is falsified by the seventy years of Jeremiah, therefore, the current NB Chronology must be adjusted or 'fine-tuned' by adding an extra twenty years to reconcile such with Bible Chronology.
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i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
johnamos
I say, 'Bring it On'!!
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The translation of John 17:3 in the NWT in both the current edition of 2013 and former editions are all accurate with the literal Greek and is explained nicely as such in the NWT Study Bible: "their coming to know you: Or “their taking in knowledge of you; their continuing to know you.” The Greek verb gi·noʹsko basically means “to know,” and here the verb is used in the present tense to express continuous action. It may denote a process of “taking in knowledge about someone; getting to know someone; becoming better acquainted with someone.” It may also include the thought of making an ongoing effort to get better acquainted with someone who is already known. In this context, it refers to a deepening personal relationship with God brought about by ever-increasing knowledge of God and Christ and a growing trust in them. Clearly, this necessitates more than knowing who a person is or knowing his name. It would also involve knowing what that person likes and dislikes and knowing his values and standards. —1Jo 2:3; 4:8.
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i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
In recent months it has come to scholar's attention the most recent article published in the scholarly literature on the subject of the Seventy Years. The article deals with the Exile which began with the Fall of Jerusalem and the Return of the Jews under Cyrus, a period of seventy years as foretold by Jeremiah and not ending with the Fall of Babylon as many critics of WT Chronology maintain. The article is titled 'The End of Exile: The Reception of Jeremiah's Prediction of a Seventy-Year Exile' by Steven M Bryan, Journal of Biblical Literature, 2018, Vol.137, no.1, pp.107-126
Enjoy!!!!
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i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
Sanchy
Finally, you have sen the light for any reader can see for himself/herself that Dan 4 must have both a literal and figurative fulfilment because of the literary structure of the tree dream, context within the book of Daniel and the terms used in Dan 4.
Neb began his reign much earlier than 605 BCE which is a date based not on Bible Chronology but on NB Chronology.so his humiliation must have occurred after his 18th year when he destroyed Jerusalem in 607 BCE.
The point of the dream was Kingship and as we are encouraged to discern the 'times' in the course of history accompanied with such prophetic formulae then such calculations are proper as part of Salvation History which includes and reveals the doctrine of the Gentile Times-Like 21:24.
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i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
joey jojo
The methodology used is the 360 day/years system for interpreting prophecy combining with current calendrical systems as tp months and years as round numbers thus avoiding the problems with adopting 365 daily cycle. the subject is well explained in current WT publications in keeping with the KISS principle.
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Well said. Interestingly, Ken Mc Kay in his A New Syntax of the Verb in New Testament Greek,p.94 superbly translates John 8:58 "I have been in existence since before Abraham was born".
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i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
Sanchy
You have not just separated the Kingdom of God from the humiliation of Neb but you have extinguished it!!! The tree represented both Neb's world rulership and the universal sovereignty of Jehovah God as expressed by the Kingdom of God as recognized by Bible commentators, expositors and the celebrated WT scholars.
The connection between the seventy years and the seven times is inherent in Dan. 4 as shown by the reference to it in the OG translation of that chapter and is explicit in the fact that both events began at the same time in 607 BCE.
The point of the dream was to show Neb that he was subjected to a far greater rulership of the Heavens, God's Kingdom or sovereignty.
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i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
Sanchy
You cannot separate the kingdom of God in Dan 4 from Neb's humiliation for that was then the point of the dream for to do so shows that you lack exegetical skills.
There is such an explicit connection, just do the exegesis of Dan.4.
Hermeneia commentary on Daniel is not to be overlooked so get cracking and study it.
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Yes I am acquainted with Chris Forbes, Edwin Judge and Stuart Pickering, John Lee and Greg Horsley and others all have or had an association with Macquarrie University which as an institution is at the forefront in NT Greek scholarship.
I understand that Forbes is an Anglican
He responded that too often in NT translation, the original text can have more than one meaning, a problem that makes translation difficult. (a problem, I think that makes YHWH look a bit of a numbskull).
True alternative renderings can be problematic but the insertion of the Tetragram into the NT is an example of the NWT being forward-thinking, advancing scholarship, proof of its brilliance.
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