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178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

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Jeffro

Of course the Bible never mentions 70 years of exile at all.

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False, the Bible clearly and unequivocally describes the 70 years as a Period of Exile or as many historians describe this period of Jewish History as the 'Exilic period'. Refer Rainer Albertz.

Biblical texts that describe the 70 years as exilic are the following: Jer. 25:11-12; 29:10 2 Chron 36:20-23; Dan 9:1-19.

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the Jews have already returned when the 70 years ends (even though most of the Jews remained in Babylon and the 'return' in 538 BCE was actually just permission to rebuild the temple), so turning attention to their return after they've arrived is just stupid

---Nonsense. The 70 years only ended when the Jews had returned with the seventh month in 537 BCE which ended the Exile by means of the Decree of Cyrus. The date 538 BCE is bogus as you well know..

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178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

MeanMrMustard

70 years of servitude, scholar. Not desolation.

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Nope. The seventy years was a period of the Exile in Babylon, Desolation of the Land of Judah and Servitude to Babylon beginning with the Fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE. and ending with the Return in 537 BCE. Nice and easy!!!

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178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

Hahaha once again a response bereft of any argumentation whatsoever. If you have any sources presenting argumentation for 586, just provide them.

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For starters, The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings, Edwin Thiele; Handbook of Biblical Chronology, Jack Finegan; The Chronology of the Old Testament, Floyd Nelson Jones.

Enjoy!!

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178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

Mildly curious to see your list of sources arguing for 586 over 587—not just parroting tradition but providing argumentation----

Your comment proves that you have no knowledge of Chronology and the issues that scholars deal with. Would you like me to give you a Reading List on the subject of 586 vs 587?

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178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

Now that I have got you to focus on the use of the term 'methodology' perhaps you can turn your attention as did Rodger Young in the early 2000's in attempting to solve the problem of 586 or 587 as you positively assert that 587 is the correct date.

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178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

Kelley959's method (not 'methodology')

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Incorrect! I recommend the use of a dictionary in discerning the difference between 'method' and 'methodology. In this case, the use of the term methodology can be applied

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178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

Not only is your approach not valid, but Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 BCE, not 586.

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This is your opinion and the majority of scholars argue 586 BCE rather than 587 but Bible Chronology proves 607 BCE as the only possible date.

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The 'explanation' in All Scripture is also wrong since Babylon didn't actually have a 360 day year. It is just a simplification

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A 'prophetic year' as discussed in the referred publication has nothing to do Babylon or its associated calendar. The explanation deals with the biblical use of 'year' in connection with prophecy.

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178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Phizzy

The Book of Daniel is basically a bit of a scam anyway, it pretends to have been written in the 6th Century B.C.E but was written toward the middle of the 2nd Century B.C.E being completed in 164BCE, so even the Seven Times were not a Prophecy ! they were talking about an event from Centuries before the writer's time and work.

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Nonsense!! there is simply no historical or linguistic evidence for this statement which has become known in the scholarly literature as the Maccabean Thesis. There is compelling evidence as presented in our publications and other scholarly publications refuting this nonsense. Daniel was a book of the sixth century as found in the Dead Sea Scrolls dated long before the time of the Maccabees as an example.

Rolf Furuli has written extensively on this subject in his recent scholarship published as When Was The Book Of Daniel Written? A Philological, Linguistic, And Historical Approach, 2017, Awatu Publishers, 331 pages.

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178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Hi Kelly

Your methodology for the attempt to expose the calculation of 1914 CE and the 607/586/587 debacle is inapplicable. Celebrated WT scholars in WT publications have shown the difference between calender years such as the Julian and Gregorian and a 'prophetic year' used in the Bible of 360 days of 12 months of 30 days each.. Refer to All Scripture Is Inspired Of God And Beneficial, 1963, 1990, p.282, pars. 22,23.

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Narrowly focused, sometimes illiterate

by vienne in

three of my sisters - there are five of us - were baptized as witnesses.

one of them has gone from reading voraciously to only reading her textbooks and watchtower publications.

this does not seem to be unusual among witnesses.

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vienne

The writing of letters is an expression of one's literacy skills and such can always be improved over time so its exercise can lead to improved grammar for some or many. Postings on the internet on various forums is also an expression of one's literacy and again its exercise can also lead to improvement as evidenced by p[ostings on JW Talk and the World Forum websites for JW's.

The fact that the Witness community is a publishing agency sets a good example in clear writing, easily comprehended and available to many peoples of different languages and education thus as an organization facilitates a high level of literacy including grammar.

Watchtower does not fear the informed, questioning believer as you allege but fears those who seek to undermine genuine intellectual inquiry and freedom using unquestioned, critical scholarship which lacks coherence and unity of thought.

I agree with you that finishing High School is not a guarantee of literacy and this is an indictment of education departments but such attainment can lead to improvement utilizing other pathways which not always the case. The present modern era provides the opportunity at least for advancement and this fact must be recognized and even if such ones are merely competent report or essay writers then that surely is worthy attainment for not all can be or want to be grammarians.

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