Posts by scholar

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Rocketman123

When you closely examine the events concerning the ancient Israelites of that era and that of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, it clarifies the difference of servitude, desolation and exile.

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Historically and theologically there is no difference between the three elements of the 70 years namely exile-desolation -servitude which is an exact description of what Jeremiah foretold, witnessed by Daniel and Ezekiel, confirmed by the historians Ezra and Josephus.

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There was a lot of historical subsequent of events which happened to the inhabitants of Jerusalem by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar from the beginning of servitude to him right to their return from exile which JWS are dishonestly dismissive about .

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Exactly and that is what you should pay attention to that detailed history in the Bible and not try to harmonize with NB Chronology.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

Actually, the order of the chapters of Jeremiah in the Greek Septuagint (with the proclamations against individual nations inserted between the first and second halves of what we call chapter 25) makes it even more clear that the 70 years applied to all the surrounding nations serving Babylon and definitely not just ‘Jewish exile’.

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Nonsense: If this is really the case then you should be able to tabulate historically when each of those nations served Babylon. The only nation that we have a precise history of Babylonian servitude is Judah as correctly prophesied by Jeremiah.

The use of the LXX is valuable but it is important to compare that with the main or principal text- Masoretic Text when it comes to any historical analysis and exegesis.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

MeanMrMustard

In the end, if you read the relevant scriptures grammatically, then the plain meaning that comes from that grammatical reading, as opposed to reading into the scriptures an ideology, is easy to see, and there are no contradictions with the historical evidence.

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Does this comment indicate your skill in linguistics and in Hebrew and Greek?

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Rocketman123

One must remember and keep in mind that JWS are trained/brainwashed to only accept expressed information that is sanctioned and approved by god's holy spirit, which is provided through the GB Watchtower heads, so its not surprising at all that when you discuss certain subjects objectively they are closed minded and become intellectually dishonest .

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The above is inapplicable to the said scholar for he is a different animal.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

johnamos

Jeremiah's focus concerning the 70 years was that those 70 years would be the period that Babylon would be a world power and during such time the nations would have to serve Babylon as such. Serving Babylon was not dependent on being in captivity or desolate. The serving started as a result of Babylon becoming a world power and it ended when their time as such a power ended.

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Your interpretation of the 70 years that it is only one of Babylonian servitude is wrong and does not agree with Jeremiah and the 70 textual corpus. The 70 years was a period of exile in Babylon, a period of the land being desolated and a period of servitude to Babylon as shown by Jer. 25:11-12.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

There you go again claiming I've copied someone else's work, dismissing my work as 'pretty charts' without research, all signs confirming that you feel threatened. You then try to claim credit by imagining that I've provided information merely as a result of your posts, which is also wrong (I would give some credit to former posters on here like AnnOMaly, Leolaia and Alan Feuerbacher for encouraging deeper research though). In fact, I wasn't even aware of this forum when I first posted information online (some of which was copied by JWFacts) - you can readily verify the year 2004 in the footer of my timeline and my first post on this forum in 2005. So yet again, you are shown to be wrong.

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You misread me for I have never said that you have copied another's work but have been heavily influenced by the work of others and fallen under their spell and as I was part of that long-running controversy on this forum over many years there can be no doubt that I have contributed to your obsession with JW Chronology.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

This is just the kind of fallacious 'reasoning' I was referring to when I said that believing JW chronology also makes people susceptible to other irrational thinking. Aside from the fact that there is no way to confirm any statement attributed to Jesus decades after his death, members of any Christian denomination could make the same claim in the face of any opposition.

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Jesus made that statement and I cannot change or revise it and the Witnesses worldwide have been are being persecuted for their faith. As a matter of fact.

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Your own obsession with JW chronology, always on the back foot with unconvincing apologetics, also suggests you feel threatened. On the other hand, I simply provide people with information objectively refuting JW chronology in a free and accessible format. Unlike you, I fear neither refutation nor superstitious end-times scenarios for deviating from any particular view.

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Hardly. I have never been threatened win discussions of Chronology as it is simply 'grist to the mill' with no hint of being intimidated. The only information you provide is a rehash of COJ, some pretty charts with no original ideas or research merely limping on the back of scholar who most likely because of his posts on this forum decades ago introduced you to this subject of Chronology. If it were not for scholar your scribblings would not exist.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

People respond to JW chronology (and other JW-related issues) because JW beliefs are incorrect and result in harm, not because you’re ‘doing something right’ - that’s just your persecution complex.

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Did not Jesus say that his disciples would be persecuted so it cannot be a complex? People respond to our teachings including our wondrous Chronology because they believe these to be true and correct.

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It doesn’t actually take that much of my time but the fact that you think it’s an obsession suggests you feel threatened.

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Hardly so because both of us are obsessed with Chronology.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

Hahaha 🤣 JW chronology is well and truly refuted. I provide information for people who have been subject to JW propaganda whose access to other information is often limited. In the broader community, JW chronology is an irrelevance and is not considered remotely plausible by any independent historian or scholar.

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Ha Ha. We must be doing something right because so many websites have been developed with many scholarships in order to refute our Chronology which like your good self amounts to an obsession. Perhaps many people detect a 'ring of truth'.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

In your analogy, people who endorse JW chronology are more like anti-vaxxers.

Accepting JW chronology in the face of evidence to the contrary is not only detrimental in itself but also increases propensity for accepting other irrational ideas.

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Sadly for you, there is no compelling evidence for refuting our Chronology but simply an array of different interpretations and methodologies hence the dispute and your obsession with the subject-WT Chronology.