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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Rocketman123
Response to Jeffro's nonsense:
Babylon's 70 years can be viewed as a round period, but the period from Babylon's conquest of Assyria in 609 BCE until Persia's conquest of Babylon in 539 BCE is exactly 70 year
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False: The 70 years are viewed by many scholars as a round number in order to accommodate a certain view or interpretation of the biblical texts and NB Chronology but the historical facts are quite explicit that the 70 years is a definite historical period.
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---The period from the destruction of Jerusalem until the Jews returned to Judea is 49 years, which is the period indicated at Leviticus 25:8 (bear in mind that Leviticus was completed during the Persian period, so the reference to this duration is almost certainly not just a coincidence).
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False: This is a mere opinion for the 70 years is the period from the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 BCE until the Return in 537 BCE and has no bearing on the sabbath years in Lev.25:8 for this was a regulation under the Law but Jeremiah's seventy years was a prophecy.
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--Jerusalem was definitely destroyed in 587 BCE, being the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar including accession year and 18th year excluding accession year.
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False. Jerusalem could only have been destroyed in 607 BCE with the 18th/19th year of Nebuchadnezzer, scholars cannot agree as to whether 586 or 587 BCE proposed dates for this event.
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Most of the Jews had already been exiled in early 597 BCE
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Many Jews were deported to Babylon 10 years prior to the Fall but the Exile did not commence until the Fall in 607 BCE lasting 70 years.
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- It is also worth noting that the 'prophecies' about Babylon in the Bible, which were heavily edited after the initial writing, are more accurately viewed as descriptions of what happened framed in a religious context.--This is speculation without any evidence, utter nonsense.
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Jeffro
Non sequitur. Unless you’re saying that you don’t know the contents of your own library until you post it on this forum. And you reject the contents of the books you boast about having. 🤦♂️
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I know what is in my books for these are readily consulted in order to demolish apostate nonsense and have the freedom to accept or reject the contents.
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Jeffro
Who cares what you ‘have in your library’. You’re still wrong.
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Having an adequate library to hand means that I can disprove your nonsense. HA HA HA
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Jeffro
Sounds like a decline into ‘JCanon/Larsinger’ mentality. 😒 SDA theology is equally nuts (JW’s Adventist cousins really, given their common origins) so not keeping good company even without the JW rules about ‘bad association’. Somewhat enlightening about your pathology though.
All that effort and still doggedly clinging to JW propaganda.
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SDA Theology might be nuts in part but the scholarly community are indebted to the work of Edwin Thiele the celebrated Chronologist who championed 586 BCE for the Fall and not 587 BCE.
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Tell us, oh great scholar, how attention was given to the Jews’ return after the Jews had already returned (as is required by the JW interpretation of Jeremiah 29:10-14). 🤣
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Happy to. Simple the verse explains that Jehovah would fulfil His promise for the jews to be released from their captivity and exile returning home to restore pure worship.
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Jeffro
Your own comment demonstrates that the 70 years couldn’t have ended any later than 539 BCE when Babylon was ‘judged’. Also have to laugh at the tedious honorific capitalisation of pronouns
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My comment demonstrates that based on Daniel 9:1-2 and 2 Chronicles 36:22-23 that the 70 years could only have ended after the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE with the Return of the jews under Cyrus in 537 BCE.
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Nothing about Daniel 9:1-2 suggests that the 70 years were ‘yet to be fulfilled’. Especially since by that time, Babylon had already been judged and “only when the 70 years have been fulfilled would judgement against Babylon proceed”.
Daniel's words written after the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE clearly show that the 70 years had not been fulfilled or completed thus requiring some discernment on Daniel's part. LOL
Babylon's judgement as described in Jeremiah 25:12 could only have been applicable after her Fall in 539 BCE and after the fulfilment of the 70 years of Jewish Captivity or Exile.
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Rocketman123
So the ending reality to what happened to Jerusalem and the surrounding area is that it was under servitude for almost 70 years by the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar but was only laid desolate for approximately 47 +/- a couple of years after he finally destroyed much of the city including the main temple in 586 BCE, captivating much of the predominant inhabitants to Babylon.
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Jerusalem and Judah were desolate for 70 years beginning in 607 BCE until the Return of the Exiles in 537 BCE as confirmed by Ezrz, Daniel, Jeremiah and Josephus.
It is simple as that!!!
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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johnamos
Well maybe you should tell Jehovah about that fact. He said that he was going to call Babylon to account WHEN THOSE 70 YEARS WERE FULFILLED...and the WTS states that happen in 539.
[Jeremiah 25: 11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.12 ‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah,]
[8-1-81 WT p. 27-28 – “The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E. when Babylon was overthrown by the Medes and the Persians.”]
[11-15-98 WT – We know that Jehovah is the Great Timekeeper, and we have confidence that he never fails to fulfill his purposes at his appointed time
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Indeed I have done that as you have requested by listening and reading His Word, the Bible and it tells me in Jeremiah 25:12 that only when the 70 years have been fulfilled would judgement against Babylon proceed and not before. Also. Daniel who quoted Jeremiah states in Daniel 9: 1-2 that in the first year of Darius the 70 years was yet to be fulfilled or ended and that 1 st year was after Babylon's Fall in 539 BCE. Thus there are two witnesses against your nonsense claim according to the sacred word of our great God, Jehovah.
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Jeffro
Who cares what you ‘have in your library’. You’re still wrong.
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I care because I want to know unlike you what I am talking about
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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?
by Vanderhoven7 inanybody know something about vat 4956?.
nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?
any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .
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Vidqun
I wish to advise you that I have the following in my theological library:
The Gentile Times Reconsidered, Carl Olaf Jonsson, Second Edition, 1986, Commentary Press
Supplement to The Gentile Times Reconsidered -Refutation of Criticism and Additional Evidence, Carl Olaf Jonsson, 1989, Odeon Books, Danville, USA
The Gentile Times Reconsidered - Chronology and Christ's Return, Carl Olaf Jonsson, Third Edition-Revised and Expanded, 1998, Commentary Press. This copy is autographed by the author.
The Gentile Times Reconsidered - Chronology and Christ's Return, Carl Olaf Jonsson, Fourth Edition Revised and Expanded, 2004, Commentary Press, Atlanta
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