ozziepost
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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ozziepost
Now that you are a converted Anglican thus enjoying the rich fruitage of Bible knowledge and learning characteristic of the intellectual life within the Anglican diocese of Sydney or North Sydney could you give your learned opinion on the date of composition of the book of Daniel? Please!
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
I note your reference to your website and the pages discussing Daniel however you make the claim that Daniel is of the 2nd century BC rather than of the sixth century century but you do not provide any evidence for your late date of composition so please list your facts.keeping in mind that that Daniel in his 11th chapter only is applicable to the Seleucids.
I await your evidence or proof.
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
Identifying datable events in a work only confirms that the work was written some time later than those events. And because Daniel has obvious references to events during the Seleucid period (as is explicitly accepted in JW dogma), the time of writing is thereby identified as being around 164 BCE. Setting aside the exaggerated end times claims about a hypothetical future, there are no details in Daniel requiring knowledge beyond around 164 BCE. (Daniel was in circulation by the end of that century so writing couldn’t have been much later than 164 BCE either.)
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False. Identifiable datable events confirm the date of composition unless plainly stated otherwise for that then becomes history. The book of Daniel does not in its entirety suggest events of the Seleucid period therefore in such absence of datable ents then the evidence as presented by the six datable events prove a 6th-century composition as confirmed by other external lines of evidence.
The only section in Daniel that is interpreted to refer to the Seleucids is with the dramatic conflict between the 'kings of the north and the 'king of the south' in Dan.11:5-19 .
Please provide direct evidence for your belief that the book of Daniel was written in the 2nd century BC!
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
Huh?! Have you totally lost the plot? Your claim isn’t at all supported by ‘my reasoning’. The opening words of Daniel identity a setting, but there’s nothing about the statement that confirms when it was actually written. You don’t understand that a later writer could have access to historical details of an earlier period? What is wrong with you?
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The opening words of Daniel sets the historical setting for the book which along with the other dates given are of historical events not in the 2nd century but in the sixth century.
There is not a single shred of evidence that Daniel was written in the 2nd century BC but is simply a theory cleverly designed to discredit prophecy. The six datable events anchor the entire book in the 6th century BC for any other claim is simply nonsense.
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
And the author of Moby Dick is identified as Ishmael in the opening sentence. Guess that clinches it. 😂 Also, by your ‘reasoning’ the author of Daniel chapter 4 is “clearly” Nebuchadnezzar, not Daniel. 🤦♂️
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By your reasoning the opening words o Dan 1:1 clearly identify a 6th century BC historical setting as does Dan 7:1; 8:1;9:1; 10:1; 11:1; which all of those texts proves beyond any shadow of doubt that this is a book of the 6th century dealing with rulers of the NB and Persian Periods.thus debunking the Maccabean Thesis.
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
How then can it be verified then that Daniel was written in the 2nd century BC and who its writer was especially as Dan.1::1 clearly assigns a 6th-century date for its composition and Dan.12:4 clearly states its writer, Daniel? and how can it be verified that the book ha in its 12 chapters in total has anything to do with Jewish persecution and events in the time of the Maccabees?
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
The story about Nebuchadnezzar going mad borrows elements from a Babylonian story of Nabonidus. But the reference to ‘seven times’ is likely also a reference to the ‘seven sabbaths’ (49 years) from Jerusalem’s destruction in 587 BCE until the Jews returned in 538 BCE. In the context of Daniel’s main theme, that period of Jewish oppression and restoration is analogous to the ban of Jewish worship in 168 BCE until its restoration in 165 BCE.
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If Neb's madness was not an actual event being simply a story then why was such a myth placed into a historical period pertaining to Jewish oppression?
What then is the book of Daniel's main theme?
If Daniel was not a prophet and Daniel was simply a historical account of Jewish oppression of the 2nd century then why did Jesus refer to Daniel as a prophet and make reference to a future fulfilment as prophecy pertaining to Jerusalem?
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
Nope. Despite your attempt at ad hominem, direct analysis of Daniel confirms that it refers to rulers from the neo-Babylonian period up until the Seleucid period with special focus on Antiochus IV Epiphanes’ ban of Jewish worship from 168-165 BCE. Knowledge of or deference to Porphyry is not required.
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What then is this direct analysis that you refer that confirms ruler from the NB Period up until the Seleucid Period?
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
“Maccabean hypothesis” is a nonsense term employed by Christian denominations that insist that Daniel is talking about Jesus. The mentality is similar to insisting that evolution is ‘just a theory’ or the term ‘allopathic medicine’ used by woo peddlers to dismissively refer to standard medical practices.
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The Maccabean Thesis is simply that , with no firm evidence to support such a wild hypothesis for it originates with Porphyry, a critic of Christianity in the third century. Until 1890, the prevailing view amongst scholars was the acceptance of the 6th century as the period when the book was written. After 1890, there was a revival of Prophry and his theis has become the general view amongst scholars despite much evidence to the contrary.
scholar JW