Jeffro
Get cracking on that list. 😂
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No, you should get cracking on providing proof for your opinion that Daniel was of the 2nd century. Stop stalling and get on with it!!!
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Disillusioned JW
he various commentaries I read disagree with each other in regards to various particulars and it is very hard (in regards to various particulars) to determine the correct meaning of a number of scripture passages. Studying the Bible is thus wearisome to my mind.
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For this reason, you should consider carefully the scholarship of Jehovah's Witnesses by means of their publications which have fully addressed the many issues that you raise then you will find Bible Study a joyful experience as I have done since 1958.
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
Following is the list of assumptions I accept for my interpretations of Daniel:
- Books that accurately describe details of past events were written after those events
- Daniel includes information that accurately describe events during the Seleucid period
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My assumptions are:
1. Books that accurately describe past events are history were written after those events, those written before those events would be prophecy.
2,. Daniel includes information that accurately describes events during the Babylonian Period from 617 BCE right up to the Roman World Power and beyond to the modern-day-'time of the end' from 1914 CE.
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Following is the list of assumptions 'scholar' accepts for his interpretations of Daniel:
- The universe had a cause
- The universe was caused by a conscious entity
- The entity was a deity
- The deity still exists (or at least continued to exist until the Neo-Babylonian period)
- The deity has some interest in the universe
- The deity has some interest in humans
- The deity interacts in some way with humans
- The deity is the God of the Abrahamic religions
- God imparts prophecies
- The book of Daniel contains prophecies imparted by God about future kingdoms (after the time of writing)
- Jehovah’s Witnesses’ interpretations of Daniel are correct, except where their own previous interpretations have been discarded, which were also correct until they weren't
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The unnamed deity has a name and His name is Jehovah.
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Once 'scholar' provides definitive proof (not fallacious appeals to tradition, incredulity or sentiment) for his list, I'll clear up any contested assumptions in my list. 🤣 For the sake of argument, I might be willing to grant point 1 in the list for 'scholar' even without definitive proof.
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So can I conclude that you are an atheist?
You seem to be stalling, unable to provide reasons or facts for your claim that Daniel was a 2nd century composition and not of the 6th century BCE.
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
I’ve sufficiently shown readers that you are wrong and am not interested in pandering to your irrelevant demands.
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You have shown nothing of the sort and your attitude bespeaks intellectual cowardice.
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
Apart from you providing the sources you claim are consistent with your independent research, please provide two or three scriptures/lines of evidence from Daniel in support of your opinion, i.e the time of composition was of the 2nd century and not the 6th century. Reasons that would convince any reader of Daniel would suffice.
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
My analysis of Daniel is consistent with the best scholarship.
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You talk about the 'best scholarship' then what are the best sources that you have read or consulted?
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
My analysis of Daniel is consistent with the best scholarship. A deluded Watch Tower Society shill disagreeing with me in the Internet is hardly a ‘problem’ for me.
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Your so-called analysis is just a repetition of others who have traversed this path long before you for you add nothing new to this controversy. Your pathetic delusion on this subject is of no concern to me.
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro.
Only if you pretend that the obvious references to the Seleucid period are magical 🤦♂️
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No magic is required as the Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy on page 228 clearly sets out the only significant role of the Seleucid Kingdom described in Dan.11:5-19.
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I hope you don’t think that’s a coincidence 😂 Adventist groups have Adventist beliefs. Wow. Amazing.
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Adventist scholarship simply broadens and sharpens the debate about the time of the book of Daniel's composition, just adding to your need to widen your research.
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
No, doofus. Despite your attempt to just focus on the incidental typo, the WT book explicitly says the copper kingdom includes the Seleucid period right up until 30 BCE 🤦♂️
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The WT interpretation in the publication addresses the matter quite clearly showing where the Seleucid period fits in Daniel's worldview and that is only fully expressed in the fifteen verses in the 11 th chapter only.
scholar JW
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
Similarly, the Seleucid period is indeed included in the JW interpretations of the corresponding elements in chapter 7 & 8.
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These Seleucid elements are merely consequential, a small part of the main application to the major world powers - the fourth beast in ch.7 and the male goat in ch.8.
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Whilst I did indeed independently arrive at the correct time period for these verses, it is also the mainstream scholarly consensus, so claiming it is just ‘my opinion’ is irrelevant and misleading ad hominem.
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Well if your opinion is truly based on your own independent research then you should be able to provide definitive reasons for your opinion as so far you have failed to do. The problem that you have is proving that Daniel was of late composition.
scholar JW