if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Bruce X
Carl Jonsson in his exposition of the two Zechariah texts sums up his position and no doubt of Jeffro as follows:
"(6) Zechariah 1:7-12 and 7:1-5 are not references to Jeremiah's prophecy, but refer to the period from the siege and destruction of Jerusalem in the years 589-587 to the rebuilding of the temple in the years 520-515 BCE" (op. cit. p.230) Talk about messed up!!!!
scholar JW
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Bruce X
Of course it's in the past. 70 years just passed. When your kid comes home and you say "where have you been these two hours", it's also a past event.-
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Glad to know that you accept that Zechariah's two references to the 70 years were a past event or more precisely a completed past event that ended with the Exile and not an event that continues to the rebuilding of the Temple. which cannot be figured precisely as to the ending of Zechariah's 70 years claimed to be from 587-520-515 BCE.Go figure!
scholar JW
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Jeffro
Wrong as usual. Iâve told you to stop telling that lie.
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Prove me wrong. List your argument for both texts and I will compare that with Jonsson's interpretation.
scholar JW
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Jeffro
Always a red flag when the NWT uniquely renders something âmore correctlyâ (aka sectarian bias). đ
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When a different and more accurate translation is used, a red flag is certainly raised when complains about the scholarship.
scholar JW
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Jeffro
âve provided sufficient details already for honest readers to make up their minds about who has âlost the argumentâ. After that, all that remains is to remind you that youâre thoroughly deluded. Maybe go and actually pay attention to what is written in some of those sources that you pretend to respect. đ
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You have lost the argument when your only reply is that of ridicule and insults. Further, you provide no evidence for your interpretation which is simply borrowed from that of Carl Jonssons The Gentile Times Reconsidered, Fourth Edition, 2021, Friesen Press, pp.225-229. and that of his previous editions.
scholar JW
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Bruce X
The New Living Translation shows the meaning of Zech 1:12 very clearly for those who have difficulties to understand this verse:
"Upon hearing this, the angel of the LORD prayed this prayer: âO LORD of Heavenâs Armies, for seventy years now you have been angry with Jerusalem and the towns of Judah. How long until you again show mercy to them?â"
The angel asked this two decades after they left Babylon why they are still not being shown mercy. So for the last 70 years until now (20 years after exile) they have not been shown mercy. If they were really 70 years in exile then this would mean 90 years no mercy. This is another hint why they can't have been 70 years in exile
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The NWT renders this verse more correctly; "So the angel of Jehovah answered and said:"O Jehovah of armies , how long will you yourself not show mercy to Jerusalem and to the cities of Judah, whom you have denounced these seventy years". (emphasis added) Thus the text into English shows that the seventy years was a past event and not a present event awaiting an end. The text and its context along with Zech 7:5 clearly shows a reminder of a past event of the exilic 70 years as agreed by many scholars and commentators.
scholar JW
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Jeffro
coming from a cult-addled buffoon, you can imagine how much your opinion matters to me
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When a person resorts to insults then one knows that such a person has lost the argument.
scholar JW
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Jeffro
my understanding of the subject has long exceeded that of your cult-addled mind (and Protestant commentators generally). Just go away.
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Your understanding is bogus, pitiful and is a result of no research. In short, you do not know what you are talking about. You go away and play with your pathetic coloured charts.
scholar JW
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Jeffro
That passage includes an expression of frustration about a period that had not yet ended, and very obviously doesnât refer to a period that ended decades earlier. Youâre really not very good at this.
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Nope. This verse is a historic reflection on the 70-year Exile already completed or fulfilled in 537 BCE. The wording reflects a past tense and the Study note in the NIV Study Bible associates this 70-year period with the 70 years of Jeremiah, Daniel and Ezra. I humbly recommend that you do more research on this subject. Please!
scholar JW
