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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  Jeffro

  Luckily for you this continued libel is trivial.

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  Let me put it this way, your views on this subject are similar or identical to that of Carl Jonsson and other critics.

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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  Jeffro

  Zechariah 1

  Zechariah 7

  It is no wonder to refuse to provide a specific chronology for Zechariah's 70 years of indignation/denunciation as your website's explanation on the foreclosed is unclear to any readerr even with thaid of your pretty chart featured in the middle of the explanation. It is much the same with Jonsson's explanation which you have either directly or indirectly copied. Further, your explanation fails to cite any scholarship unlike Jonsson's explanation of these two passages.

  WT scholars interpret these two verses as the Exilic Period of Jeremiah's 70 years beginning with the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple in 607 BCE to the Return of the Exiles in 537 BCE. Zechariah receives two oracles dated in Darius' 2nd and 4th years which shows that the Jews were still fasting and mourning lamenting the past fact of the Exile. The texts clearly show that 'these 70 years' or 'those 70 years' had expired and were not 70 years of Temple rebuilding as you and Jonsson claim.

  The Temple was finished in 515 BCE- 6th Darius's year and the Temple was destroyed according to your thesis in 587BCE which gives a figure of 72 years and not 70 years. Clearly, you cannot provide a chronology for Zechariah's 70 years of denunciation and as this period is presented in the past tense and having already expired in both the 2nd and 4 th year of Darius it must represent an historic period and the only 70 years that would match all of the attendant facts is that of the biblical 70 years of Exile.

  Go figure and use some plain common sense!!!

  scholar JW
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  Jeffro

  The ‘event’ was that it was then that they asked the question. It is directly stated in the passage. Some people really are thick.

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  Evasion at its best so let me put this question to you:

  Zechariah 1:12

  What was the date and event that marked the beginning and end of these 70 years?

  Zechariah 7:5

  What was the date and event that marked the beginning and end of these 70 years?

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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  ozziepost

  Hi!

  Scholar just cannot help himself
  

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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  Jeffro

  Your waffling circumlocutory aside, it is indeed a separate period. It’s not really ‘my interpretation’, it is clearly indicated in Zechariah 7:1-7. It specifically indicates 70 years of fasting that had continued until Darius’ 4th year (518 BCE). So it obviously isn’t referring to Babylon’s 70 years that ended decades earlier in 539 BCE. And of course it’s not referring to a nonexistent ‘70-year exile’ found nowhere in the Bible. It’s only nutty religious types like yourself who are desperate for it to mean something other than what it directly states.

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  Your interpretation makes no sense for Zech. 7:3,5 clearly states that the Jews had fasted in both the fifth and seventh months for 70 years this was due to the simple fact that during that period the Jews were in Exile hence the reason for their fastings and mourning.. You state that this verse began in 587 with the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple ending in 518 BCE. My question is that if this 70-year period of fasting began with a definite event such as the destruction of Jerusalem then what event marked its ending in 518 BCE?

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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  Bruce X

  W don't talk like that. So I think you are not a JW. One more reason to stop the conversation.

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  This is a robust conversation but you are most wise to stop the conversation. I have to reply to many responses so I simply missed your original post but as you indicate your lack of participation then I will not respond to that inquiry. All the best!!!

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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  Bruce X

  So called "scholar", my reply was very short. The fact that you missed this important detail in my very short reply tells volumes. I also provided several clear contradictions like the 69.5 years vs 70.5 years in one of my previous posts. I'd have expected a reply about this but there was only silence Therefore I'll end my conversation.

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  If you cannot take the heat then get out of the kitchen.

  scholar JW
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  Jeffro

  More dishonest misdirection from the inept self-styled ‘scholar’ 😂. Zechariah’s 70 years is a clearly defined period that had not yet ended in 519 but had ended by the 9th month of 518 BCE, marking exactly 70 years of fasting since Jerusalem’s destruction in 587 BCE. Poor ‘scholar’ can’t handle the elegant simplicity and therefore tries to claim some ambiguous range of dates. 🤦‍♂️

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  In short. what your interpretation means is that the 70 years of Zechariah was a period of 'fastings' only and is a separate period to that of Jeremiah's 70 years both separate periods have different beginnings and endings and run parallel to each other in the course of Jewish history. This is a nonsensical proposition that requires clear evidence from the biblical text but from other sources. T

  Further, the two Zechariah's 70-year references deal with a singular past event characteristic of the Hewish exilic experience and not that of the Temple or its rebuilding.

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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  Bruce X

  Carl Jonsson in his exposition of the two Zechariah texts sums up his position and no doubt of Jeffro as follows:

  "(6) Zechariah 1:7-12 and 7:1-5 are not references to Jeremiah's prophecy, but refer to the period from the siege and destruction of Jerusalem in the years 589-587 to the rebuilding of the temple in the years 520-515 BCE" (op. cit. p.230) Talk about messed up!!!!

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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  Bruce X

  Of course it's in the past. 70 years just passed. When your kid comes home and you say "where have you been these two hours", it's also a past event.-

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  Glad to know that you accept that Zechariah's two references to the 70 years were a past event or more precisely a completed past event that ended with the Exile and not an event that continues to the rebuilding of the Temple. which cannot be figured precisely as to the ending of Zechariah's 70 years claimed to be from 587-520-515 BCE.Go figure!

  scholar JW