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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

scholar

Jeffro

‘scholar’ responding to Bruce’s series of questions is like a cow staring at an oncoming train. To spoil the ending, the big reveal is that the travel time to and from Jerusalem means they couldn’t have been ‘at Babylon’ for the full 70 years anyway. Which would be yet another problem in the JW chronology, but the bigger problem is that it would be nonsensical to ‘turn attention to their return’ after 70 years if they were by then already there.

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Not really because we must stick to what the scriptures say and realize that the prophecy is fulfilled not on our terms but that which accords with God's will.

scholar JW

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

scholar

Jeffro

t’s almost as though the JW (Adventist) interpretation is a load of nonsense that isn’t consistent with the well established facts. Go figure. 😂

-- What I figure is that your nonsense is more akin to that of the Adventists. Go figure!!!

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

scholar

BruceX

So they were exactly 70 years or at least for 70 years in exile in Babylon?

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Yes, right down to the very day and month of Tishri from 607 -537 BCE

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

scholar

Jeffro

The NeoBabylonian period is one of the best attested periods in antiquity with documentary evidence for every year of the period. Whilst we do not have Babylonian records for the destruction of Jerusalem itself, the records in the Bible that are also found in Babylonian records (most notably the main deportation in early 597BCE) are completely consistent, and there is little reason to suppose that only the date of Jerusalem’s destruction would be uniquely unreliable (and the accession dating references interpolated at Jeremiah 52:28-30 also appears to be from Babylonian sources). To say we cannot be precise about events in that period is simply wrong. ‘scholar’ on the other hand just parrots Watch Tower Society drivel.

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How can it be said that the NB Period is well attested with documentary evidence for every year when it fails to address the Jewish Exiles in Babylon for 70 years, fails to account for the 'Babylonian Gap' of the missing 20 years and the missing 7 years of Neb's vacancy from the throne.

Thus such errors or missing evidence proves the unreliability of the NB Period in relation to the biblical history of the Late Judean period of the 6th century.

scholar JW

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

scholar

Bruce X

I'd like to know what scholar's interpretation of Jeremiah 29:10 (NWT) is. What does Jeremiah mean when he says "When 70 years at Babylon are fulfilled". What does "at" here mean? 70 years exile in the city of Babylon? I read this same verse in another NWT language where it says "in Babylon".

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'at Bbabylon' has a locative meaning in the sense of place or location and is similar to 'in Babylon'. However, most translations render the phrase as; 'for Babylon' which has a purposive meaning rather than a locative meaning. In either case, it shows that the Jews were exiled in Babylon and under Babylon's domination for the full period of 70 years.

scholar JW

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

scholar

Jeffro

All that effort and still so wrong. Sad indeed. You must be really feeling the weight of that sunk cost fallacy.

Well rewarded as I deal with the likes of you and your utter nonsense on Chronology.

scholar JW

349

Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

scholar

Jeffro

Sure. But where other alternatives have been offered, I can show not merely that they disagree with what I have said, but also their own internal inconsistencies and irrationalities. And it’s not as though I have presented anything esoteric (as is almost universally the case with religious attempts). My research arrived at independently is consistent with expert sources for all the events in the NeoBabylonian period.

You boast but do not deliver for you never quote any academic or scholarly resources or if by chance you have done so it is rather rare. This means that your theories and interpretations on Chronology are yours and yours alone but you are entitled to such views just as others do including WT Bible Chronology.

scholar JW

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

scholar

peacefulpete

Funny thing scholar is that I was were you are, I know what you know, I experienced just about all there was to be experienced as a JW. I used to sit with F.Franz in the sauna and listen to his ravings. I heard the infighting and debates carried on in the elevators and halls. I read the books the WT writers quote mined and marked up in the "research library". I got emotionally abused by the system that I devoted my life to. I was there when a dysfunctional foreign branch office was rebuilt by other dysfunctional people. My assigned congregation was impoverished in every respect. I've seen the system work and I've seen it fail miserably. I'm not ignorant of the sincerity of some nor am I ignorant of the duplicity of others. It's a church, nothing more.

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So sad for you but that has not been my experience as an active Witness since 1958, baptised in 1964 and has pursued and attained University Degrees in Religious Studies both as an Undergraduate and Postgraduate. Further, I spent much time accessing and researching at the leading Theological seminary library in Sydney-Moore College researching questions from the field whilst pioneering. I have long battled issues on Chronology from SDA sources, dealt with prominent Hasidic Jewish scholars/academics and have collected and accessed all of the leading academic journals and read all of the major poztate scholarly literature. My conclusion from all of this is that Jehovah's Witnesses are the only True Religion having restored the teachings and practices of the Early Church. So there!

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

scholar

BruceX

So the 70 years began on the day or week they were deported from Jerusalem?

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The 70 years began in 607 BCE in the seventh month, Tishri also marked the same month of the Return in 537 BCE in the seventh month. Jehovah God is the Great Timekeeper!

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349

Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

scholar

peacefulpete

That is why you should read the Bible and seek to understand God's Word for us in this modern age and be taught by Jehovah's Witnesses who alone understand the sacred mysteries of God by means of the Proclamation of God's Kingdom as the Gospel.

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