for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
slimboyfat
thought the Watchtower position was that Nebuchadnezzar did go mad for seven years but that this also pictured a larger fulfilment spanning centuries. Are you saying that Nebuchadnezzar never really went mad at all
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Poor old Neb was in the looney bin for seven literal years learning a valuable lesson about God's Kingdom of both literal and figurative application.
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Jeffro
🤣 what a farce.
Jeremiah 25:12: “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.
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Not so for it is a theological and historical reality concerning the end of the 70 years of desolation in 537 BCE.
Jeremiah 25: 12 clearly proves that the judgement against Babylon began only after the 70 years had ended which could only have been with the release of Jews under Cyrus' Decree in 537 BCE as stated by the Chronicler.
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Daniel 5:26-30 simply foretold the Fall of Babylon which was in 539 BCE and proceeded the eventual judgement against Babylon as foretold by Jeremiah in 25:12.
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Sanchy
I have read it carefully. Your claim regarding a second fulfillment still holds no water. Sorry.
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I am sorry too that from your careful reading of Daniel 4 you did not discern its dual fulfilment. Now you have a big problem because I assume that you believe that Neb's vacancy off the throne for seven literal years was a historic fact or it simply did not happen but if it did happen how come there is no account of such a seven-year gap in the NB Chronicles?
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Beth Sarim
Just read the ''Gentile Times Reconsidered'' by Carl Olaf Jonson,
Just read it.
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The said scholar has not only read it from cover to cover but he has studied it.
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Alethia
Daniel chapter4 makes no mention of anything other than Neb. So why doesn't WT follow its own direction? Possibly because there wouldnt be an organisation without 1914? No 1914, no 1919, no GB
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Incorrect. The fourth chapter of Daniel clearly has two fulfillments as shown by its frequent mention of 'God's Kingdom and the use of the Aramaic word for 'times'.
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Chevelle
You obviously know nothing about cars. Otherwise, you would have quickly realized the video was a parody. That's exactly what you are... a parody.
or "a joke" if you prefer.
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The jokes on you, COJ and his associates!!!
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Sanchy
Sorry, not good enough. I've read Daniel 4 many times and see no evidence to believe your theory of a 2nd "future fulfillment".
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Read it again but this time read it carefully.
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Vanderhoven 7
Assumption 2: The seven times of the dream are meant to represent 360 day years each.
When this formula applies elsewhere in the Bible, the year-for-a-day ratio is explicitly stated or clearly implied. Here we are assuming that it applies.
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Correct. The 'seven times' in its literal application are considered to represent seven literal years for Neb's reign whereby he vacated the throne. The lexical meaning of the Aramaic iddan or iddanim has a figurative meaning thus the use of this word along with its equivalent word in Greek kairoi is used by the Apostle John in his Revelation illuminates its meaning for expositors in terms of 'prophetic' days and years interpreted to be of 360 days or years. Thus, the Bible itself provides a solid basis for this interpretation long held by commentators over the centuries.
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Vanderhoven 7
Assumption 1: Nebuchadnezzar’s dream from Daniel chapter 4 has a fulfillment beyond his day.
The book of Daniel makes no mention whatsoever of any fulfillment beyond his day. There is no indication that what happened to Nebuchadnezzar is some type of prophetic drama or minor fulfillment to a major future antitype.
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Bunkum. One only has to read Daniel 4 and can easily see that the theme or purpose of the tree vision by Neb was to prove to him the reality of not only the present Kingdom of God as a reality in the form of the Judean Monarchy but its future fulfilment. The entire narrative is about God's Kingdom as a reality and its figurative application is shown by the terms that are used such as the Aramaic word for 'times' which has both a literal and figurative meaning according to the lexica.
Further, the entire book of Daniel along with the rest of the OT has as its major theme to wit -God's Kingdom. I refer you to An Old Testament Theology by Bruce K. Waltke, 2007, Zondervan for starters.
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Chevelle
You remind me of this scholarly and convincing engineer...
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Well said for you have made the said scholar's day but I have always tried to simplify matters for that is what makes WT Chronology authentic- its simplicity unlike COJ's useless thesis which is a 'dead end' -going nowhere!!
scholar JW.
