Posts by scholar

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Backpedaling I see. ‘Adam and Eve’ and the ‘Flood’ (and the ‘Exodus’) are all examples of Bible stories that definitely didn’t occur in reality. There is a fallacy of composition regarding the broader sweeping statement of ‘Bible chronology’, which is accurate for the Neobabylonian period (both of which contradicts JW chronology) but not for the fanciful stories in Genesis

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There is abundant evidence that the NB Period is inaccurate and unreliable for much of it is mythical or fanciful.

Far better to stick to the biblical account and its superior Chronology which enables one to see the fulfilment of prophecy with regard to 1914 CE validated by the events of 607 BCE and the lowing of the seven trumpets and the seven woes being fulfilled after 1914 CE.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

‘scholar’, thanks for continuing to demonstrate your fallacious approach to just about everything. It certainly helps readers to assess who is right.

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Which is not you!

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Fallacy: straw man attack. I don’t care to engage in your tedious interrogation, which is not an indication of my understanding of the term.

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Please share your understanding of the term.

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Fallacy: straw man attack, appeal to emotion, naturalistic fallacy, confirmation bias, circular reasoning.

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Rather it is an appeal to reason and not emotion

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

I’m well aware that people like to come up with all types of tedious hair splitting definitions for these things, but it is a distraction from the fact that there is no evidence for your preferred deity.

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Clearly, you have a limited understanding of the meaning of 'atheism' being unable to answer such a basic question.

The evidence of God and my preferred deity -Jehovah God is right in front of you just open your eyes and observe the natural world for as a wise man said in Ps. 14:1 "The foolish one says in his heart; 'There is no Jehovah'".Are you a foolish one?

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

It’s not my problem that you don’t understand the genre of Revelation. 🤦‍♂️ (So much for JWs being such great Bible teachers. 😂) Jesus was expected to return within a generation of his death, after the great tribulation. He didn’t. They were wrong.

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The said scholar is very familiar with the genre of Revelation as he has studied this subject at great depth. Your view that Jesus was expected to return within a generation of his death after the great tribulation is wrong as such aprevilaing opinion ampngst some was corrected by the Apostle Paul in

Jeffro

It’s not my problem that you don’t understand the genre of Revelation. 🤦‍♂️ (So much for JWs being such great Bible teachers. 😂) Jesus was expected to return within a generation of his death, after the great tribulation. He didn’t. They were wrong.

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The said scholar is very familiar with the genre of Revelation. The view that some expected Jesus' return after his death and the great tribulation was later corrected by the Apostle Paul in his Thessalonians and now we can be ever so grateful for the understanding made by the FDS regarding the manner and timing of the Return or Second Advent of our dear Lord Jesus Christ.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Yeah, direct analysis of evidence is just like words in a story attributed to someone decades after their death. 🤦‍♂️ You don’t need to keep demonstrating the extent of your delusion. It’s already obvious. And it sounds like you don’t understand what atheism is too.

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WT scholars know all about direct analysis of evidence as it has been applied to NB Chronology including VAT 4956 and found that such materials along with sound exegesis prove 607 BCE and 1914 CE which began the 'Lord's Day' accompanied with the 'seven trumpets'- 'seven woes' and the '42 months' much to the chagrin of Jeffro.

Further, regarding your atheism are you a 'theoretical atheist' or a 'practical atheist'?

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro the Skeptic

Stories written by people who survive floods contain details about people surviving floods. Amazing. The claim that they are “identical” Is simply a lie though.

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Noah and his family survived the worldwide Flood and lived to tell the story which has been reproduced universally in all different cultures which establishes the historicity of the Flood account in Genesis.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

The 42 months already happened in 66-70CE. Christian expectations for what would follow were simply wrong, and they’ve been making up alternatives ever since.

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Prove it. How can something stated decades later such as the time of writing Revelation as prophecy be now considered to be historical in 66-70 CE?

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Aside from the fact that there’s no way of knowing that Jesus said anything attributed to him decades after his death, Jesus also purportedly said that Abraham was up in heaven able to deliver drops of water to people suffering in hell. But you don’t believe that’s literal. And if Jesus did literally believe Adam and Eve were real people, then he was wrong.

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Equally, the said scholar can apply the same line of reasoning to all of your propositions including your claims about Chronology, VAT 4956, Neb's regnal years in the Chronicles etc. as you have no firm position with the exception of your atheism which only leads to scepticism. For sceptics, there is no proof for any proposition.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

joey jojo

The flood story is not widespread. We have 1 biblical flood story and all the rest from around the world are different. Given that pretty much every human settlement of any size have always lived close to rivers/ lakes, it would be strange NOT to have numerous flood legends from all around the place.

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The simple fact is that all of the universal flood stories are similar or identical to the world wide not local Flood of Noah.

scholar JW