Posts by scholar

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Liar. The Bible never mentions 70 years of exile. That is why you always defer to these stupid 'summaries' of JW belief instead.

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False, the Bible most certainly describes the 70 years as a period of Exile or 'the Exile'. Why not use a concordance and examine the frequency and occurrence of the word' exile in the OT?

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Fallacy of division.

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Whilst we are about using terms of logic how iis that you as a sceptic can pontificate on matters and subjects that you do not believe eg. the' 70 Years of Jeremiah' etc.

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I've given them due attention. The '42 months' ended nearly 1,953 years ago, so it's not a cause for concern. Similarly, the events symbolised by the 'woes' and 'trumpets' relate to the period of early Christianity (representing a combination of various real and imagined events), and are no cause for concern, despite the claims of conspiracy theorists, crackpots and fear-mongerers.

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How can you give attention to a matter whereupon you have no belief and expect to be taken seriously? The fact is that the 42 months applies in context to the 'Lord's Day' which began in august year of 1914 CE followed by the woes and the trumpets.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Okay. The biblical account of the Neobabylonian period indicates that all the nations would serve Babylon for 70 years (Jeremiah 25:11) until Babylon was conquered by Persia (Jeremiah 25:12; 2 Chronicles 36:20). During that time, nations could avoid exile by serving Babylon (Jeremiah 27:8-11). After Babylon’s 70 years ended, attention would be given to the Jews’ return (Jeremiah 29:10; 2 Chronicles 36:21). Since it is known that Babylon was conquered by Persia in 539BCE, Babylon’s 70 years therefore began with its defeat of Assyria’s last king in 609BCE.

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This is utter nonsense for the Bible clearly teaches that the 70 years was a period of Exile a period of servitude to Babylon under its domination and a Desolation of Judah beginning in 607 BCE and ending in 537 BCE. Further, your interpretation is bogus because you do not believe in these events for you do not believe the Bible so any opinion you express is insincere and inauthentic.

You should be paying attention to the 42 months, seven woes and the seven trumpets

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Once again ‘scholar’ falls back to the time-honoured ‘nuh-uh’ defence. Compelling stuff.

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Very compelling as the said scholar depends on reason and not on fancy interpretations based on silly pretty coloured charts.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Backpedaling I see. ‘Adam and Eve’ and the ‘Flood’ (and the ‘Exodus’) are all examples of Bible stories that definitely didn’t occur in reality. There is a fallacy of composition regarding the broader sweeping statement of ‘Bible chronology’, which is accurate for the Neobabylonian period (both of which contradicts JW chronology) but not for the fanciful stories in Genesis

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There is abundant evidence that the NB Period is inaccurate and unreliable for much of it is mythical or fanciful.

Far better to stick to the biblical account and its superior Chronology which enables one to see the fulfilment of prophecy with regard to 1914 CE validated by the events of 607 BCE and the lowing of the seven trumpets and the seven woes being fulfilled after 1914 CE.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

‘scholar’, thanks for continuing to demonstrate your fallacious approach to just about everything. It certainly helps readers to assess who is right.

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Which is not you!

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Fallacy: straw man attack. I don’t care to engage in your tedious interrogation, which is not an indication of my understanding of the term.

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Please share your understanding of the term.

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Fallacy: straw man attack, appeal to emotion, naturalistic fallacy, confirmation bias, circular reasoning.

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Rather it is an appeal to reason and not emotion

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

I’m well aware that people like to come up with all types of tedious hair splitting definitions for these things, but it is a distraction from the fact that there is no evidence for your preferred deity.

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Clearly, you have a limited understanding of the meaning of 'atheism' being unable to answer such a basic question.

The evidence of God and my preferred deity -Jehovah God is right in front of you just open your eyes and observe the natural world for as a wise man said in Ps. 14:1 "The foolish one says in his heart; 'There is no Jehovah'".Are you a foolish one?

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

It’s not my problem that you don’t understand the genre of Revelation. 🤦‍♂️ (So much for JWs being such great Bible teachers. 😂) Jesus was expected to return within a generation of his death, after the great tribulation. He didn’t. They were wrong.

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The said scholar is very familiar with the genre of Revelation as he has studied this subject at great depth. Your view that Jesus was expected to return within a generation of his death after the great tribulation is wrong as such aprevilaing opinion ampngst some was corrected by the Apostle Paul in

Jeffro

It’s not my problem that you don’t understand the genre of Revelation. 🤦‍♂️ (So much for JWs being such great Bible teachers. 😂) Jesus was expected to return within a generation of his death, after the great tribulation. He didn’t. They were wrong.

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The said scholar is very familiar with the genre of Revelation. The view that some expected Jesus' return after his death and the great tribulation was later corrected by the Apostle Paul in his Thessalonians and now we can be ever so grateful for the understanding made by the FDS regarding the manner and timing of the Return or Second Advent of our dear Lord Jesus Christ.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Yeah, direct analysis of evidence is just like words in a story attributed to someone decades after their death. 🤦‍♂️ You don’t need to keep demonstrating the extent of your delusion. It’s already obvious. And it sounds like you don’t understand what atheism is too.

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WT scholars know all about direct analysis of evidence as it has been applied to NB Chronology including VAT 4956 and found that such materials along with sound exegesis prove 607 BCE and 1914 CE which began the 'Lord's Day' accompanied with the 'seven trumpets'- 'seven woes' and the '42 months' much to the chagrin of Jeffro.

Further, regarding your atheism are you a 'theoretical atheist' or a 'practical atheist'?

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro the Skeptic

Stories written by people who survive floods contain details about people surviving floods. Amazing. The claim that they are “identical” Is simply a lie though.

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Noah and his family survived the worldwide Flood and lived to tell the story which has been reproduced universally in all different cultures which establishes the historicity of the Flood account in Genesis.

scholar JW