Posts by scholar

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"Jehovah" In The New Testament.

by LostintheFog1999 in

i see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.

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aqwsed12345

A shared treasure of Judaism and Christianity, an important element of faith is the name of God; Christians have no particular objection to the name "Jehovah", but they do not insist on it, because it is a theological term.

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There is much in your post that is subject to criticism. I disagree with your comment that the name 'Jehovah' is a theological term. Rather, the form 'Jehovah' simply represents the best-known pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton in English at least on literary grounds originated with William Tyndale in 1530 and earlier by Raymundus Martini in 1270 into Latin. Thus, rather than a 'theological ' term it is properly etymologically based as it is derived from the Hebrew consonants YHWH and according to some scholars pronounced as 'Yehowa'.

The NWT Committee from the 1950's has provided clear and compelling evidence that the Divine Name should be properly rendered in the NT even though at this stage there remains only circumstantial evidence for its insertion but the very fact that the Tetragram is the most common word in the OT for a Deity and if the NT writers quoted extensively from the OT by means of direct quotations provides a solid basis for inserting the Divine Name into the NT. Thus by so doing the NWT has elevated the once-shrouded Name from obscurity by means of earlier scribes, scholars and translators and publicized or sanctified the Divine Name by its proper restoration throughout the entire Holy Bible to the eternal praise of its Divine Author - Jehovah God.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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Jeffro

Having been thoroughly trounced from every angle, poor ‘scholar’ whines unintelligently about ‘pretty charts’ while his crony Fisherman fallaciously gurgles praise for his role model. I think we’re done here. Honest people can assess the material here for themselves.

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The only 'trouncing' you have done is in your own mind for you offer nothing new or of substance when it comes to the 607 BBCE debate. Your so-called 'fine material' is simply COJ's GTR rehashed with a few pretty coloured charts.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

scholar

Jeffro

Fallacy: Straw man attack. I have provided a great deal of information specifically indicating why the JW position is incorrect. The claim that I simply ‘don’t like JW’ is therefore an obvious lie.

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The information that you provide is simply a rehash of COJ' thesis which in turn is a rehash of SDA's interpretation of Bible Chronology. The only thing that is new in your Blog is an array of pretty coloured charts.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Liar. The Bible never mentions 70 years of exile. That is why you always defer to these stupid 'summaries' of JW belief instead.

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False, the Bible most certainly describes the 70 years as a period of Exile or 'the Exile'. Why not use a concordance and examine the frequency and occurrence of the word' exile in the OT?

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Fallacy of division.

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Whilst we are about using terms of logic how iis that you as a sceptic can pontificate on matters and subjects that you do not believe eg. the' 70 Years of Jeremiah' etc.

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I've given them due attention. The '42 months' ended nearly 1,953 years ago, so it's not a cause for concern. Similarly, the events symbolised by the 'woes' and 'trumpets' relate to the period of early Christianity (representing a combination of various real and imagined events), and are no cause for concern, despite the claims of conspiracy theorists, crackpots and fear-mongerers.

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How can you give attention to a matter whereupon you have no belief and expect to be taken seriously? The fact is that the 42 months applies in context to the 'Lord's Day' which began in august year of 1914 CE followed by the woes and the trumpets.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Okay. The biblical account of the Neobabylonian period indicates that all the nations would serve Babylon for 70 years (Jeremiah 25:11) until Babylon was conquered by Persia (Jeremiah 25:12; 2 Chronicles 36:20). During that time, nations could avoid exile by serving Babylon (Jeremiah 27:8-11). After Babylon’s 70 years ended, attention would be given to the Jews’ return (Jeremiah 29:10; 2 Chronicles 36:21). Since it is known that Babylon was conquered by Persia in 539BCE, Babylon’s 70 years therefore began with its defeat of Assyria’s last king in 609BCE.

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This is utter nonsense for the Bible clearly teaches that the 70 years was a period of Exile a period of servitude to Babylon under its domination and a Desolation of Judah beginning in 607 BCE and ending in 537 BCE. Further, your interpretation is bogus because you do not believe in these events for you do not believe the Bible so any opinion you express is insincere and inauthentic.

You should be paying attention to the 42 months, seven woes and the seven trumpets

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Once again ‘scholar’ falls back to the time-honoured ‘nuh-uh’ defence. Compelling stuff.

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Very compelling as the said scholar depends on reason and not on fancy interpretations based on silly pretty coloured charts.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Backpedaling I see. ‘Adam and Eve’ and the ‘Flood’ (and the ‘Exodus’) are all examples of Bible stories that definitely didn’t occur in reality. There is a fallacy of composition regarding the broader sweeping statement of ‘Bible chronology’, which is accurate for the Neobabylonian period (both of which contradicts JW chronology) but not for the fanciful stories in Genesis

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There is abundant evidence that the NB Period is inaccurate and unreliable for much of it is mythical or fanciful.

Far better to stick to the biblical account and its superior Chronology which enables one to see the fulfilment of prophecy with regard to 1914 CE validated by the events of 607 BCE and the lowing of the seven trumpets and the seven woes being fulfilled after 1914 CE.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

‘scholar’, thanks for continuing to demonstrate your fallacious approach to just about everything. It certainly helps readers to assess who is right.

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Which is not you!

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Fallacy: straw man attack. I don’t care to engage in your tedious interrogation, which is not an indication of my understanding of the term.

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Please share your understanding of the term.

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Fallacy: straw man attack, appeal to emotion, naturalistic fallacy, confirmation bias, circular reasoning.

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Rather it is an appeal to reason and not emotion

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

I’m well aware that people like to come up with all types of tedious hair splitting definitions for these things, but it is a distraction from the fact that there is no evidence for your preferred deity.

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Clearly, you have a limited understanding of the meaning of 'atheism' being unable to answer such a basic question.

The evidence of God and my preferred deity -Jehovah God is right in front of you just open your eyes and observe the natural world for as a wise man said in Ps. 14:1 "The foolish one says in his heart; 'There is no Jehovah'".Are you a foolish one?

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