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  Update on study with Elder....

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  i took the advice of the forum and informed him i wouldlike to study the bible.

  he arrived case in hand and pulled out the draw close to jehovah publication.. i said i thought we were going to study the bible...he then said well this is a bible publication...i said has not past publications contained errors and changes in teachings while the bible remains true.

  he said yesssss.......do you have something inparticular you want to look at in the bible.....i said i thought we could start in matthew and work our way through.

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  Kenneson

  If my hermeneutic tripod resembles that of the Roman Catholic Church then so be it.

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  51

  Update on study with Elder....

  by shotgun in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i took the advice of the forum and informed him i wouldlike to study the bible.

  he arrived case in hand and pulled out the draw close to jehovah publication.. i said i thought we were going to study the bible...he then said well this is a bible publication...i said has not past publications contained errors and changes in teachings while the bible remains true.

  he said yesssss.......do you have something inparticular you want to look at in the bible.....i said i thought we could start in matthew and work our way through.

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  shotgun

  I cannot provide you with the missing links or link in respect to the profane chronology, my interst is in the sacred chronology whereupon a complete list of the reigns of the Divided Monarchy are given. There is a gap of some twenty years but that is a problem not for me but for those who advocate the profane chronology. I am interested in the data contained in the Bible and only that, the secular data is of some interest but if it is problematic then let it remain so . Rolf Furuli in his new book may well enlighten us all in respect of the Babylonians if that really interests you.

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  51

  Update on study with Elder....

  by shotgun in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i took the advice of the forum and informed him i wouldlike to study the bible.

  he arrived case in hand and pulled out the draw close to jehovah publication.. i said i thought we were going to study the bible...he then said well this is a bible publication...i said has not past publications contained errors and changes in teachings while the bible remains true.

  he said yesssss.......do you have something inparticular you want to look at in the bible.....i said i thought we could start in matthew and work our way through.

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  elderwho

  You express concern about trying to reconciling Babylonian reigns with WT chronology. This is a interesting exercise because the Bible itself does not give the same record as the Canon of Ptolemy. The BIble only metions a few kings and years of conjunction between those kings and the kings of Judah. So, we can only use this information and construct a schema that harmonizes the total biblical hustorical position. If you try to reconcile that schema with the accepted reign os the Babylonians then they do not synchronize, so we have a problem. Then you have to make a judgement as ti what chronology is the most accurate, trustworthy without sacrificing sound biblical exegesis particularly in respect to the seventy years and the beginning of the reign of Nebuchadnezzer. You then must do a loy of study but you wlll as I have done that the Society has provided much information on this subject to provide a sound basis for faith in our sound and beautiful chronology.

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  BA MA Studies in Religion
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  Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

  by ros in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

  the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

  http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

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  Alleymom

  I cannot understand your question about the three years of education in relation to the kingships of Jehoiakim and Neb. If you are such an expert on chronology why could you answer that yourself?

  Simply speaking, Daniel and the other youths were deported to Babylon in 617 BCE which was the third and last year of Jehoiakim's reign and the seventh regnal year of Neb according to Dan 1:1. Now, Daniel 2:1 refers to Neb's kingship which began in 607 and thus his second year would have been his 20 th regnal year in 605 BCE. So, there is a span of some 12 years between Dan 1:1 and 2:1. During that time Daniel and his companions as youths completed three years of high education. The account does not tell us when the training began and when it finished but there was enough to for the three year process to be concludede so as by the time Neb received his first dream, Daniel was old enough and of sufficient status to be able to interpret that dream.

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  The New World Translation

  by MrsQ in

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  can anyone give me an explanation of how the nw translation came about?

  who, exactly, were on this bible translation committee, and what were their qualifications?

  when was it first published?.

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  Gamaliel

  Your explanation about Gangas or others being members of the NWT committee does not agree with the facts of the matter. If a person boasts about his membership then that is a good enough reason to dismiss his claim as he probably has delusions of grandeur. The fact of the matter was and is that when the committe gifted the NWT to the society for publication rights it was conditional on the request that the names of the committe were remain anonymous even after their death. I cannot believe that any member of integrity would violate this condition.

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  BA MA Studies in Religion
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  51

  Update on study with Elder....

  by shotgun in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i took the advice of the forum and informed him i wouldlike to study the bible.

  he arrived case in hand and pulled out the draw close to jehovah publication.. i said i thought we were going to study the bible...he then said well this is a bible publication...i said has not past publications contained errors and changes in teachings while the bible remains true.

  he said yesssss.......do you have something inparticular you want to look at in the bible.....i said i thought we could start in matthew and work our way through.

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  ruebenfine

  Thanks for your criticism for my typographical errors but I am to lazy to proofread sometimes and in my haste to post I simply go with the flow. Let me assure you that in my academic work I pay much more attention to spelling, punctuation and grammar. But really this is not a academic forum but purely one for discussion and conversation.

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  BA MA Studies in Religion
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  51

  Update on study with Elder....

  by shotgun in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i took the advice of the forum and informed him i wouldlike to study the bible.

  he arrived case in hand and pulled out the draw close to jehovah publication.. i said i thought we were going to study the bible...he then said well this is a bible publication...i said has not past publications contained errors and changes in teachings while the bible remains true.

  he said yesssss.......do you have something inparticular you want to look at in the bible.....i said i thought we could start in matthew and work our way through.

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  shotgun

  You are quite wrong in assuming that in connection with chronology that I am only familiar with WT materials. In fact I have had a keen interest in chronology for some thirty years and have a large number of journal articles and standard reference books on chronology including editions of Edwin Thiele and Carl Jonsson.

  scholar BA MA Studies in Religion
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  51

  Update on study with Elder....

  by shotgun in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i took the advice of the forum and informed him i wouldlike to study the bible.

  he arrived case in hand and pulled out the draw close to jehovah publication.. i said i thought we were going to study the bible...he then said well this is a bible publication...i said has not past publications contained errors and changes in teachings while the bible remains true.

  he said yesssss.......do you have something inparticular you want to look at in the bible.....i said i thought we could start in matthew and work our way through.

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  Gamaliel

  For your information I am proud both as a Christian and a scholar to be identified with the Bible chronology that has for so long been part of our tradition. In my view it has stood the test of time despite the pleadings of higher criticism that is espoused by Jonsson, SDA's, and higher critics. There is simply not one iota of evidence to refute this chronology and as you were a person who claims to have once believed in this chronology then on what intellectual basis can you claim any integrity.

  For this reason people like Raymond Franz, Carl Jonsson and others for many years taught and believed in the society/s view of chronology. how is it that that some thing once believed to be true can now be rconciled to error. Were these supposedly intelligent people duped, were they fooled ? What new intellectual apparatus now convinces that truth once believed is now untruth. When one become converted as a Witness then one is admonished to embrace and be nourished in faith so this is the path that Christians traverse in faith. Afterall, we are not talking science but theology so the argument about new discoveries of knowledge as in scientific inquiry does not follow. Faith must always take precedence over knowledge in Christian discipleship. I believe that Christians who have rejected truth and now follow error cannot be trusted and their credibility is torn to shreds.

  scholar

  BA MA Studies in Religion
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  Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

  by ros in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

  the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

  http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

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  Alleymom

  I am fully aware of the abudant material pertaining to Babylonian chronology akin to Jonsson;s 14 line sof evidence. However, this material conflicts with reigns of the Kings for Judah and Israel and the direct scriptural chronology for 607, So you make your choice and I will make mine ut whiuch schema is one to be trusted.

  You make much of Daniel 2:1 so I simply state that again the matter of kingship is involved as per the NWT's rendering. You assume incorrectly that the second year of Neb is the second regnal year of Neb. The society in its wisdom along with other authorities view the second year of his kingship pertaining to his domination as a new world ruler over the Davidic kingdom. So, one counts the second year of kingship from the momentous date of 607. Boy, that was not hard to follow was it?

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  BA MA Studies in Religion
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  The New World Translation

  by MrsQ in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can anyone give me an explanation of how the nw translation came about?

  who, exactly, were on this bible translation committee, and what were their qualifications?

  when was it first published?.

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  Alf3831

  I was interested to read your elaborations on those individuals in Bethel who were of assistance in the NWT project and I have no reason to doubt what you say of this. However, as the NWT has been closely identified with Bethel and the Witnesses, we still cannot be sure of the identity of the committee. No body has come forward to date with evidence for their identity, no archival material whether letters, internal memos or written documentation has been subnitted. In short, all that we have is oral testimony concerning what work certain individuals have done or have claimed to have done. The fact of the matter that we cannot know their identity or their scholarship but what is more important that the translation of both the OT and the NT remains the finest work ever produced.

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  BA MA Studies in Religion