Posts by scholar

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70 years = 607?

by allelsefails in

70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

You need to read matters more carefully particularly Daniel 4. The entire chapter indicates a fulfillment beyond Nebuchadnezzer for example verse 3 indicates that the context is that of God's Kingdom and this further indicated by verse 25, 32 and 34. Also, the use of 'times' rather than years obviously as an eschatological application because if a literal sense was only to be conveyed then the text would read seven years rather than seven times. These are just a few comments but even a cursory reading of the entire chapter certainly demonstrates a application beyond Neb.

scholar JW

421

70 years = 607?

by allelsefails in

70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

scholar

isaacaustin

Post 2319

Firstly. your claim that the seventy years was only of domination is wrong and you are only being deluded by the Jonsson nonsense because Jeremiah empatically states that the land of Judahwould be desolated without an inhabitant. The seventy years could not have ended in 539 BCE with the Fall of Babylon because in that year they were still in Babylon and subject to her, the seventy years could only have ended with the return home of the Exiles and this is confirmed by Josephus.

Whether you think the celebrated WT scholars are 'pseudo' or not is of little consequence to scholar and he cares nothing for your insulting speech.

Sorry, the Bible in every which way confirms the 607 date as proven for the Fall of Jerusalem for you cannot prove any other candidate. Which date is it? 586 or 587? When apostates have got the matter sorted then and only then should you speak. Your calculation that from 539 and the 70 years one derives 609 is sound arithmetically but is unsound biblically for nothing happened in 609 BCE So your proposed beginning date was uneventful and this has always been a big problem for Jonsson and he has not yet been able to escape this dilemna.

scholar JW

421

70 years = 607?

by allelsefails in

70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

scholar

Tuesday

Post 1343

Thank you for your kind words. In order to interpret the seventy years accurately you would need to read all of those texts mentioning the seventy years such as the two in Jeremiah, one in Daniel, one in 2 Chronicles and the two in Zechariah. Then you would need to read Jeremiah as a book and see what was foretold to occur to Judah and Jerusalem also Josephus' several reference to that same period confirms the overall interpretation that the seventy years was a definite historical period with a precise beginning and ending with the Fall and the Return identified as a period of desolation-servitude and exile.

There is no other possible interpretation that accommodates all of the evidence and the biblical references. I have stuidied this subject closely and have read closely all that is published in the scholarly literature and of course the Jonsson nonsense and have concluded that what the celebrated WT scholars have said on the matter is sound biblically, historically and exegetically.

I disagree with your claim that Alan F has 'obliterated every argument' of scholar for the simple reason that scholar has responded to all of his criticisms over many years and in fact has helped him to understand his questions that he has asked of Bethel. Despite his atheism and disbelief in the Bible the foresaid scholar has tried to assist him to have a love for God's Word. His people and Organization of which he had some former attachment.

scholar JW

421

70 years = 607?

by allelsefails in

70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

scholar

allelsefails

Post 31

Scholar does a good job in refuting lies and decieit in connection with chronology on this forum and has done so for many years. He has not ignored anything that is said to counter his defence of WT Bible chronology. Josephus is employed nicely to corroborate our understanding of chronology and its related history. The debate about 586 or 587 versus 607 BCE has been well discussed in many of our publications by simply pointing out the fact of the seventy years and its being vital in doing reliable chronology and history. There is considerable evidence establishing the seven times with the Gentile Times and the said scholar has tabulated such evidence for the honest and dutiful inquirer. One only needs to read the entire chapter of Daniel 4 to appreciate the fact of the matter. All that you have done for yourself is being deceived and led astray by the Jonsson nonsense on this subject who himself shows no interest in prophecy for he is a hater and ridiculer of prophecy.

Braindead people as you allege do not engage in a preaching and teaching ministry from door to door or house to house which is what cults do not do and neither the apostates do for it is such public ministry that confirms the True Religion in these times.

scholar JW

421

70 years = 607?

by allelsefails in

70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

scholar

jeandeau

Post 8

Your opinion that the seventy years stands for nothing more than Babylonian domination is only partially correct because Jeremiah was quite emphatic that the seventy year period was one of desolation of the land of Judah in order to fulfill prophecy. It is the failure to recognize that the seventy years was a period of servitude-captivity-desolation that undermines your belief and that of apostates and higher critics. JW's are faithful and loyal to the Bible and not to the opinions of men. It is true that in the course of interpreting Bible prophecy that we have made some mistakes but hese have been outweighed and negated by our successes such as the fulfilling of prophecy. There is nothing fanciful about 607 and 1914 for these dates and events are part of eschatology which requires close attention to history both ancient and modern and the strictures of God's Word revolving around the interpretation of the seven times of Daniel 4.

What you need to do is to examine the Bible more closely and use your thinking faculties rather than being deceived by lazy, evil and deceitful apostates.

scholar JW

421

70 years = 607?

by allelsefails in

70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

scholar

aniron

Post 165

Chronology is not nonsense but a science and scholars all over the world believe in chronology of some kind which is used as the skeleton of history. Bible chronology that proves the validity of 607 BCE has been well set out by celebrated WT scholars over many decades and has been confirmed by secular evidence.

scholar JW

421

70 years = 607?

by allelsefails in

70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

scholar

Mad Dawg

Post 103

The Bible provides sufficient data to calculate dates mentioned in the Bible because it is a book of history and ones combines this data with secular data to validate those Biblical events. so one can be very confident that Jerusalem fell in 607 BCE. Celebrated WT scholars have frequently described the method of computation in various publications of the WT Society. Just do the reading and the thinking.

scholar JW

421

70 years = 607?

by allelsefails in

70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

scholar

isaacaustin

In your dreams. It is simply not the case that it has been shown ad nauseum that there is insufficient evidence to posit a date for the Return.The simple fact is that there is sufficient evidence from secular history and the Bible to prove 537 BCE as the date for the Return and this is supported by current scholarship. In fact, it is only the research done by the 'celebrated WT scholars that sets the matter out in detail as most authorities simply nominate 537 BCE without explanation as with others preferring 538 or 536 BCE.

All dates in the OT are derived and calcuable because that is what chronology is. The date 607 BCE is based upon evidence and that evidence is primarily from the Bible and supported by other secular evidence. The date date 1914 terminates the prophetic period, Gentile Times and is proven by the facts of modern history and the growth of the True Church. It is not I that is delusional but apostates make this an art form by their desperate, mischief making by deceiving people about the True Religion.

scholar JW

421

70 years = 607?

by allelsefails in

70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

scholar

Leolaia

If you had paid more close attention to this forum you would have noticed my previous posting on this subject but thanks for your sarcastic inquiry about my whereabouts. The only virus I have contacted is the wirus that 'eats up apostates' and elevates WT biblical chronology/

scholar JW

421

70 years = 607?

by allelsefails in

70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

scholar

diamond diz

You write utter nonsense. The Society's use of 607 BCE is based on the Bible and its internal chronology, the date 1914 is derived from chronology and prophecy and history both ancient and modern. There is no need to 'gild the lily' as the facts overwhelmingly support our understanding of matters.

scholar JW