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Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

by Lobsto in

a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

two days ago, i received a response from them.

i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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LeeT

What makes equate the beginning of 70 years with the destruction of the temple rather than the beginning of a period of Babylonian dominance?
What is the period in which "these nations" served Babylon for 70 years?

Simple. It is Jeremiah's judgement message addressed to Judah of the Desolation of the Land which is described in some detail in Jer. 25:9-11. It cannot be a period of Babylonian domination because we cannot determine a precise year as a beginning of that Period. Was it 609 or 605 BCE for even COJ is confused about the matter shown by comparing his discussion of both dates in his 3rd and 4 the edn of his GTR.

The focal text of the context is vs 9 which states that he judgement would be brought against the Land-its inhabitants and the surrounding nations all of which would become desolate and made to serve Babylon for a period of 70 years. Interestingly, the LXX omits any reference to the King of Babylon in that vs.11.

Jer. 25: demands careful exegesis which I have done in consultation with leading technical Bible commentaries and studies of the scholarly literature all of which I have done and will continue to do for I have a Passion for Jer. 25:11.

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Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

by Lobsto in

a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

two days ago, i received a response from them.

i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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johnamos

So if you believe 607 is the year Jerusalem fell then you believe 629 is the year for the fall of Assyria, so do you understand that that means Babylon was ruling from 629-539, 90 years

So What, let chips fall where they may!!!'

Jeremiah 25:11 states that the nations would only have to serve Babylon 70 years, that's why we can say that 609 is the correct date for the fall of Assyria which would mean Babylon ruled from 609-539, 70 years and that also means that the fall of Jerusalem was in 587

Jer. 25:11 applies to Judah along with other nations or peoples that had to serve Babylon a full 70 years which ended after Babylon fell in 539 BCE for the following verse, v. 12 is now addressed to Babylon. So the focus has shifted from Judah as described from vs. 1-11 and shifts to Babylon as described in vs. 12-14 then from vss, 15-38 the judgement message is now addressed to the other nations.

So, the subject or focus of Jer. 25:11 is not any serving to Babylon but the Land of Judah as shown by the immediate context from vs.9. Also, the 70 years in some Bibles is mentioned at the beginning of the text rather than the end which helps the reader to get the sense of this text.

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Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

by Lobsto in

a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

two days ago, i received a response from them.

i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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punkofnice

Your listing of the reigns of the Babylonian Kings is falsified by the biblical seventy years which proves that there is a 20 year Gap between Neo-Babylonian Chronology and Bible Chronology. The fact is that the biblical evidence proves that 607 BCE is the only possible date for the Fall of Jerusalem for the dates of 586 or 587BCE are impossible regardless of how impressive Neo-Babylonian Chronology appears.

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Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

by Lobsto in

a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

two days ago, i received a response from them.

i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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Vanderhoven7

Are you saying that 1799, 1874, 1878, 1914, 1918, 1919, 1925, 1975, reflect outstanding scholarship?

Why not?

What non WTS affiliated scholars say that the NWT is the most accurate translation?

Try Jason de Buhn

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Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

by Lobsto in

a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

two days ago, i received a response from them.

i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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Finkelstein

For a so-called group of novice bible scholars who have turned Christendom's scholarship upside down and inside out by means of not only producing outstanding scholarship with Bible Chronology but have also produced the finest and most accurate Bible translation -New World Translation ever made. Pretty good, HUH!!!!!!!

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Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

by Lobsto in

a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

two days ago, i received a response from them.

i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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Vanderhoven7

This situation to hand reminds me of a famous saying by a US military general who said: 'If everyone is thinking the same, then Who is doing the thinking?" Thus, it would appear that in contrast with the 'celebrated' WT scholars', Bible scholars do not have the same regard of the Bible as the inspired Word of God.

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Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

by Lobsto in

a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

two days ago, i received a response from them.

i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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Vanderhoven7

I do not know one non-WT affiliated Bible scholar that accepts 607 BCE for the Fall.

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Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

by Lobsto in

a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

two days ago, i received a response from them.

i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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Finkelstein

o Scholar are you a practicing baptized Jehovah Witness ?

And perhaps how would you like to comment about the WTS's date setting of 1914 and their chronological calculation when Jesus himself said clearly that no one knows of the time not even he.

He also admonished is true faithful followers to not set a time upon god's own sacred time.

There is much condemnation and warning of false prophets in the bible as well such as 1 John 4:1 .------------

Proudly Yes

Have you not heard of the Gentile Times? Such a doctrine underscores 1914CE

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Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

by Lobsto in

a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

two days ago, i received a response from them.

i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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johnamos

Frankly, the end of Assyria as a World power is of little consequence except that it paved the way for the emerging power of Babylon which later became the instrument in the fulfillment of the 70 years. Our publications discuss the end of Assyria either in terms of the Fall of Nineveh in 632 BCE corrected to 612 and with the death of King Josiah with Necho, King of Egypt in 629 BCE corrected to 609 BCE in order to placate the critics.So the fall of Assyria with whatever date is simply too fuzzy and cannot be used as the datum for the seventy years.

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Need Help: My Correspondence with the Headquarters

by Lobsto in

a month ago i sent a letter to the us branch about 607. my purpose for sending it was because i wanted to show to my parents through the letters the truth behind the date system.

two days ago, i received a response from them.

i think this is gonna be the first of many.

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Doug Mason

Your study already has canvassed the arguments and methodology used by WT in support of 537 BCE but you do not provide an alternative so unless you can argue for a better date your criticisms although interesting have little value.

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