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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

No, simply by way of an apology so as to provide an alternative viewpoint.

God's Kingdom is no false thing for it is the theme of the Bible . Daniel was not aware of 1914 CE but he was aware of the development of the World powers who would be replaced by the intervention of God's Kingdom as explained in Daniel 2.

The Bible says plainly so that the reader can readily grasp basic facts that the tree dream refers to the length of its being restrained as seven times and not seven years and that the reason for this divine act was so that Gode's rulership is supremed as expressed by the kingdom mentioned right from the beginning to the conclusion of the dream.

The dream centred around Neb's experience to make the point as part of a prophetic drama so he was banished from his throne for seven literal years, a fact that you do not accept anyway.

The interpretation of those seven times is done in harmony with sound exegesis drawing upon not only the book of Daniel but the OT and the NT.

Regarding your last question it is for you to make an account of this as it is you that insists that it has only a literal application so put up or shut up!!!

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Finkelstein

Bible/ biblical theological interpretation is not static but as with all forms of knowledge or human inquiry it grows, replacing old ideas with the new. Thus Wt doctrines have remained basically intact because such a primary doctrine but in other areas where speculation or in trying to interpret prophecy creates a wider margin of error. We can look back on such ideas that have either been revised or deleted with the sense that thes are part of our Christian heritage,

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Finkelstein

Please be assured that WTS has produced unlike others solid Bible theological interpretation.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

I am not interested in convincing anyone especially yourself for my only reason in replying to your nonsense is simply to assist other readers that there is solid evidence based on sound exegesis of Dan4 that Gods Kingdom is presently reigning since 1914 as Daniel foretold.

Every occurrence in the NT is significant and such references depending on the context are eschatological thus confirming the validity of 1914 and 607 BCE

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

Oh yes it does!!! For the reason that both the terms 'times' and' God's Kingdom' or its equivalent occurs often in Daniel 4.and please be advised that if theses terms are in the NT then sound exegesis would oblige the careful and prudent exegete to see how such similar terms are used in the OT.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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sANCHY

Dan 4 presents both the literal and figurative application based on the simple fact of the use of the word 'times' not years' and the frequent use of God's Kingdom so these expressions take us beyond what happened to Neb.

Nevertheless, the beautiful thing remains as Jehovah is the Revealer of secrets.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

scholar

MeanMrMustard

No for there are various translations for Jer.25:11such the New English Bible which renders the text this way:'For seventy years this whole country shall be a scandal and a horror,these nations shall be in subjection to the king of Babylon".

It is only for Judah that we a defined history for their servitude to Babylon as for the other nations roundabout we have no similar defined history.

Jeremiah clearly states that other nations would also serve Babylon but Judah would serve for a precise period of 70 years.

Babylon certainly received a judgement with its Fall in 539 BCE but the final calling to account only took place after the 70 years had ended in 537 BCE with its gradual demise in history leading to its total desolation.

So in verse 12 Babylon's judgement only begins after the end of the 70 years not before with its end of its city, kingship and land.

Nice and easy!!!!

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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MeanMrMustard

No it is not a simple verse to translate for the Hebrew allows for different translations of this verse. The nations would be in servitude but we do not know what specific histories apply to these nations but only with Judah is its servitude to Babylon defined.

Babylon's account to judgement could only begin after the seventy years had been fulfilled which rules out 539 BCE so this verse 12 could only apply after the release of the Jews in 537BCE in the straits of time with the gradual desolation of the kingship, city and land as foretold also by Isaiah.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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cha ching

The big problem for Neo-Babylonian Chronology with its dependence on numerous business tablets is that is falsified by the historic period of Jeremiah's 'seventy years'.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

You should do some research into the theology of the use of kairos both in the NT and the LXX as required of any decent exegete. You can start with Kittels' TDNT.

The correct interpretation indeed is found in that same chapter and therein you have both a literal and figurative application as nicely presented in WT publications.

it is a beautiful thing to learn that both the seventy years of Jeremiah and the beginning of the Gentile Times of Dr. Luke or the Danielic's 'seven times' began in the same year , 607 BCE with the Fall of Jerusalem!!!!!

You are obsessed with eisegesis rather than exegesis so you should commit to exegesis of Dan.4 first then see if there is a proper place for eisegesis and I would sy that the latter is unnecessary.

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