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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

Nope! The Aramaic word does mot mean years but appointed times of periods of time or a set definite if unspecified period of time. You should check the Lexica materials.

The mention of Gid's Kingdom/rulership is thematic in not only ch.4 but the entire book of Daniel so it plays a major role in the interpretation of the tree dream.

No , the connection between both period is grounded within the test such as the OG translation of Dan.4 which makes the connection explicit.

The prestigious commentary by Collins makes the point quite clear but as you do not do exegesis i understand why you fail to understand the matter.

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A deeper examination of The New World Translation

by Terry in

shorturl.at/ouakr.

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jwfacts

Your point? I did my undergraduate degree majoring in Religious Studies and Philosophy at Deakin University and a postgraduate Masters degree in Studies in Religion at the University of Sydney and i do live in Australia.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

There is a clear connection of the tree dream with the seven times and the seventy years w beginning with the destruction of Jerusalem by Neb as explained in the Commentary on Daniel- Hermeneia series by foremostDanielic scholar John Collins. In his commentary he refers to the old Greek's rendering of Dan. 4 and in vs 19 "As for that tree being raised up and approaching heaven , and its trunk touching the clouds. You O King have been exalted over all humanity that is on the face of all the earth. Your heart was raised up in arrogance and power with regard to the holy one and his angels. Your deeds were seen, how you desolated the house of the living God on the occasion of the sins of his holy people.Refer p.111 and p.229 vs.17

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A deeper examination of The New World Translation

by Terry in

shorturl.at/ouakr.

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Athanasius

I was taught by Dr. John A Lee at University of Sydney and Prof Greg Horsley formerly at Macquarrie University in Sydney and now at the University of New England at Armidale in NSW.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

No! In Dan.4:16 ' iddanin' in Aramaic means appointed(definite) times or time periods. The Greek equivalent is 'ete' which means years but the LXX in this verse renders it 'Kairoi' which also means appointed times. The Latin word is 'tempora' which also means times and Years.

There are numerous occasions in Dan 4 where God's Kingdom or its equivalent is mentioned as per the following verses:3-thrice,17- once, 25 once, 26 -once, 32-twice, 34-thrice, 37-once. Thus it is quite clear that the language and terms used by Daniel give the tree dream a major or secondary fulfilment

Do you not like the salad.for I could add a little spice to it.

The connection between the seventy years of Jeremiah is well connected to the seven times of Daniel because both periods share the same beginning and theme over the Kingship of Jerusalem and God's Kingdom.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

The very fact that Daniel used the expression 'times' rather than 'years' proves exegetically that the tree vision lies beyond the days of Neb. Further, the many references to God's Kingdom or kingship also demonstrates that fact.

The journey of Bible Chronology leading to 1914CE validates the fulfilment of Bible prophecy known in theological terms as Eschatology.

Nope. Neb experienced 7 years of banishment just as foretold in the tree vision which has always been taught in WTS publications with a greater application as the gentile times of 2520 years.

The connection between the seventy years of Jeremiah and the seven times of Daniel are connected by the legal formula in Dan 4:17, 32

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A deeper examination of The New World Translation

by Terry in

shorturl.at/ouakr.

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To Whom It May Concern

I have watched this video and the scholarship behind it is just plain ignorant and abysmal. This fellow's academic learning has taught him nothing about NT Greek and I suspect that this so-called scholar has a profound respect for the NWT but because of his so-called conversion to Christ is forced to be superficially critical of the NWT. Most if not all of his criticisms have been addressed in WT publications most thoroughly and such responses was ignored by this so-called scholar.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

My argument is indeed sound because it is based on a very careful and methodical exegesis of Daniel 4 which uses at least two key terms that takes the reader on a journey beyond the events of the 6th century right up to our day. What a marvellous journey which is not a flight of fancy but one of discovery seeing the broad tapestry of salvation history understood by most theologians.

The seven times do correspond to the seven years of Neb's regnal vacancy in order to ground the major or secondary fulfilment of the tree dream. The reason for its lack of historicity gets down to the reliability of those court recorders or others who would have us depend on their NB Chronology which does not agree with proper Bible Chronology as understood by the celebrated WT scholars.

The said scholar loves exegesis and is very acquainted with its methodology so would you like scholar to teach you how to do exegesis? for scholar likes to help the little people. There are good reasons to connect the seven times with the seventy years as both time periods shared a common beginning namely 607 BCE with the Fall of Jerusalem which represented Jehovah's kingship for that is the tie that binds. Nice and easy!!!

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

scholar

Finkelstein

Indeed there are many such false prophets in the world today so sincere ones need to be very wary of apostates and their kin so one must pay close attention to God's Word and value our traditions and Christian heritage.

The true believer must be faithful and loyal to both Jesus and Jehovah and always pay attention to the times and the seasons in order to keep on the watch in anticipation of our Lord's coming.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

No, simply by way of an apology so as to provide an alternative viewpoint.

God's Kingdom is no false thing for it is the theme of the Bible . Daniel was not aware of 1914 CE but he was aware of the development of the World powers who would be replaced by the intervention of God's Kingdom as explained in Daniel 2.

The Bible says plainly so that the reader can readily grasp basic facts that the tree dream refers to the length of its being restrained as seven times and not seven years and that the reason for this divine act was so that Gode's rulership is supremed as expressed by the kingdom mentioned right from the beginning to the conclusion of the dream.

The dream centred around Neb's experience to make the point as part of a prophetic drama so he was banished from his throne for seven literal years, a fact that you do not accept anyway.

The interpretation of those seven times is done in harmony with sound exegesis drawing upon not only the book of Daniel but the OT and the NT.

Regarding your last question it is for you to make an account of this as it is you that insists that it has only a literal application so put up or shut up!!!

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