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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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bennyk

The matter of the 'fifty years' in Josephus may simply be one of the following:

scribal error

Quoting Berossus in error

Dating an event regarding circumstances in the Land whilst desolated marking 50 years within the overall time period of 70 years. You can pick any one of these scenarios.

The prophecies of Jeremiah most certainly refer to a 70 years period of desolation a 70 year period of Exile and a 70 year period of Babylonian domination/servitude all three events to run concurrently.

The beginning of the 70 years from 609 BCE as you claim is impossible historically and makes no sense because nothing of any relevance happened in that year.

Josephus states that the Temple lay in a state of obscurity for fifty years not desolation for he earlier said that the city was desolate during the interval of seventy years.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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MrMeanMustard

In connection with the translation of Jer.25:11 you should consult the major technical commentaries on Jeremiah and read what Rolf Furuli has written on the grammar of this text.

Yes one must read the context of this chapter and you will notice that in vs.1 and vs.9 which shows that the target is Judah and not Babylon.

The historical accounts in the Bible concerning Judah provide data that allows one to construct a clear chronology for Judah but such is not the case for the other nations.

Jer. 25:11 simply states that Judah along with the other nations would serve Babylon for a period of 70 years and scholar has always said that the 70 years was a period of desolation of Judah, an Exile of the Jews to Babylon and a period of servitude to Babylon beginning with the Fall in 607 BCE until the Return in 537 BCE.

But that is what Jeremiah explicitly states that it was only after the 70 years had been fulfilled or ended that a Judgement against Babylon would come into effect.

I have it exactly what Jeremiah states in vs.12/

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A deeper examination of The New World Translation

by Terry in

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shepherdless

In addition to the above,I notice that the scholar who presented that video ridiculing the NWT mentioned about Aspect of Verbs with reference to John 8:58. Whilst living in Sydney and attending the many symposiums and conference on Ancient History and NT Greek at Macquarrie University at Ryde, Ken Mc Kay had published his research in 1994 along with other work on this subject by Fanning and Stanley Porter who have also published on this subject. Thus the serious reader should check what these three scholars say on John 8:58

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A deeper examination of The New World Translation

by Terry in

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Finkelstein

I thank you for your nice words.

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A deeper examination of The New World Translation

by Terry in

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shepherdless

My areas of interest at both universities has been in Religious Studies and Philosophy but in the earlier years I studied Koine Greek under John Lee at the University of Sydney for the sole purpose of understanding the correct translation of John 1:1. John Lee had written a letter concerning this subject which he gave to the entire class which in no way contradicted the NWT' rendering of this text. I am not Greek scholar but I also have had a long association with the Ancient History Documentary Research Centre at Macquarie University in Sydney and this Centre is producing a series of volumes titled 'New Documents Illustrating Early Christianity' which eventually will replace Moulton and Milligan's 'Vocabulary of the New Testament'.

My studies of NT Greek over many decades has proved to me that the NWT is a brilliant piece of scholarship and is the most accurate translation of the Bible ever made.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

Nope! The Aramaic word does mot mean years but appointed times of periods of time or a set definite if unspecified period of time. You should check the Lexica materials.

The mention of Gid's Kingdom/rulership is thematic in not only ch.4 but the entire book of Daniel so it plays a major role in the interpretation of the tree dream.

No , the connection between both period is grounded within the test such as the OG translation of Dan.4 which makes the connection explicit.

The prestigious commentary by Collins makes the point quite clear but as you do not do exegesis i understand why you fail to understand the matter.

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A deeper examination of The New World Translation

by Terry in

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jwfacts

Your point? I did my undergraduate degree majoring in Religious Studies and Philosophy at Deakin University and a postgraduate Masters degree in Studies in Religion at the University of Sydney and i do live in Australia.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

There is a clear connection of the tree dream with the seven times and the seventy years w beginning with the destruction of Jerusalem by Neb as explained in the Commentary on Daniel- Hermeneia series by foremostDanielic scholar John Collins. In his commentary he refers to the old Greek's rendering of Dan. 4 and in vs 19 "As for that tree being raised up and approaching heaven , and its trunk touching the clouds. You O King have been exalted over all humanity that is on the face of all the earth. Your heart was raised up in arrogance and power with regard to the holy one and his angels. Your deeds were seen, how you desolated the house of the living God on the occasion of the sins of his holy people.Refer p.111 and p.229 vs.17

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A deeper examination of The New World Translation

by Terry in

shorturl.at/ouakr.

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Athanasius

I was taught by Dr. John A Lee at University of Sydney and Prof Greg Horsley formerly at Macquarrie University in Sydney and now at the University of New England at Armidale in NSW.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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Sanchy

No! In Dan.4:16 ' iddanin' in Aramaic means appointed(definite) times or time periods. The Greek equivalent is 'ete' which means years but the LXX in this verse renders it 'Kairoi' which also means appointed times. The Latin word is 'tempora' which also means times and Years.

There are numerous occasions in Dan 4 where God's Kingdom or its equivalent is mentioned as per the following verses:3-thrice,17- once, 25 once, 26 -once, 32-twice, 34-thrice, 37-once. Thus it is quite clear that the language and terms used by Daniel give the tree dream a major or secondary fulfilment

Do you not like the salad.for I could add a little spice to it.

The connection between the seventy years of Jeremiah is well connected to the seven times of Daniel because both periods share the same beginning and theme over the Kingship of Jerusalem and God's Kingdom.

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