scholar

Joined

• started 4 topics
• posted 3,055 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by scholar

• 
  178

  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  scholar

  MeanMrMustard

  Until the seventy years were "fulfilled". Until the 70 years were completed - as in the 70 years had already begun. The "servitude" spoken of by Jerimiah started before the destruction, and continued during exile, until it was finally "fulfilled". And when it was finally completed, Babylon was brought to account. That's the Biblical order. It matches history well. It doesn't match WT chronology.

  -----

  Gibberish: The 70 years was fulfilled at the ending of the 70 years marked by the return of the Jewish Exiles in 537 BCE The servitude began with the beginning of the Exile with the Jews being deported to Babylon for no other theory or viewpoint makes any sense. Babylon was already brought to account with the release of the Exiles after its Fall in 539 BCE and its eventual desolation as foretold by Jeremiah.

  scholar JW
  
  
• 
  178

  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  scholar

  Phizzy

  But the Land was FAR from desolate, there is evidence that groups lived in the land all through the time the of the Babylonian Exile. To live there, they had to Farm to support themselves, hardly "desolate"

  ---

  That is not what Jeremiah foretold for the land was to be without an inhabitant as also confirmed by Ezra a later historian and the historian Josephus.

  scholar JW
  
  
• 
  178

  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  scholar

  MeanMrMustard

  Scholar has been arguing for the WT's chronology on this site for years, probably decades. He rarely comments on any other topic.

  ----

  Correct:: decades of experience

  -----

  Given the directness of the statements at Jeremiah 25:11-12 (and others), it is granting him a lot of latitude to say he is "mistaken". More accurately, it is a delusion.

  ---

  So what is your interpretation for you cannot ignore the plain reading of the texts so delusion is in your mind.

  scholar JW
  
  
• 
  178

  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  scholar

  Jeffro

  Of course the Bible never mentions 70 years of exile at all.

  ---

  False, the Bible clearly and unequivocally describes the 70 years as a Period of Exile or as many historians describe this period of Jewish History as the 'Exilic period'. Refer Rainer Albertz.

  Biblical texts that describe the 70 years as exilic are the following: Jer. 25:11-12; 29:10 2 Chron 36:20-23; Dan 9:1-19.

  ------
  the Jews have already returned when the 70 years ends (even though most of the Jews remained in Babylon and the 'return' in 538 BCE was actually just permission to rebuild the temple), so turning attention to their return after they've arrived is just stupid

  ---Nonsense. The 70 years only ended when the Jews had returned with the seventh month in 537 BCE which ended the Exile by means of the Decree of Cyrus. The date 538 BCE is bogus as you well know..

  scholar JW emeritus
  
  
• 
  178

  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  scholar

  MeanMrMustard

  70 years of servitude, scholar. Not desolation.

  ----

  Nope. The seventy years was a period of the Exile in Babylon, Desolation of the Land of Judah and Servitude to Babylon beginning with the Fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE. and ending with the Return in 537 BCE. Nice and easy!!!

  scholar JW
  
  
• 
  178

  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  scholar

  Jeffro

  Hahaha once again a response bereft of any argumentation whatsoever. If you have any sources presenting argumentation for 586, just provide them.

  ---

  For starters, The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings, Edwin Thiele; Handbook of Biblical Chronology, Jack Finegan; The Chronology of the Old Testament, Floyd Nelson Jones.

  Enjoy!!

  scholar JW emeritus

  
  
• 
  178

  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  scholar

  Jeffro

  Mildly curious to see your list of sources arguing for 586 over 587—not just parroting tradition but providing argumentation----

  Your comment proves that you have no knowledge of Chronology and the issues that scholars deal with. Would you like me to give you a Reading List on the subject of 586 vs 587?

  scholar JW emeritus
  
  
• 
  178

  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  scholar

  Jeffro

  Now that I have got you to focus on the use of the term 'methodology' perhaps you can turn your attention as did Rodger Young in the early 2000's in attempting to solve the problem of 586 or 587 as you positively assert that 587 is the correct date.

  scholar JW emeritus
• 
  178

  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  scholar

  Jeffro

  Kelley959's method (not 'methodology')

  ------

  Incorrect! I recommend the use of a dictionary in discerning the difference between 'method' and 'methodology. In this case, the use of the term methodology can be applied

  scholar JW 'emeritus'.
  
  
• 
  178

  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  scholar

  Jeffro

  Not only is your approach not valid, but Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 BCE, not 586.

  --------------

  This is your opinion and the majority of scholars argue 586 BCE rather than 587 but Bible Chronology proves 607 BCE as the only possible date.

  -------------
  The 'explanation' in All Scripture is also wrong since Babylon didn't actually have a 360 day year. It is just a simplification

  ------------

  A 'prophetic year' as discussed in the referred publication has nothing to do Babylon or its associated calendar. The explanation deals with the biblical use of 'year' in connection with prophecy.

  scholar JW emeritus