Posts by scholar

178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

Sure, that's why it's so highly regarded by actual historians, who regularly cite and endorse Watch Tower Society chronology. That's sarcasm by the way.

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Your comment is immature and ignorant. There are many published Bible Chronologies for there is no one, uniformly accepted Bible Chronology for that is the nature of scholarship.

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It sure is.

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Another stupid and dumb comment, not worthy of you at all. All Chronologies are subject to criticism and it is as it should be including your scheme.

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You are obsessed with WT Chronology as shown by your website so such obsession proves that our Chronology has substance as your pretty chart demonstrates.

scholar JW

178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

It is up to you to interpret Stern for his description which remains problematic for scholars for this period as shown by various archaeologists having different interpretations of the state and nature of Judah during the period of Exile.

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Since I've put together timelines presenting both the correct chronology and the JW chronology, I anticipate further confusion on your part given your propensity for garbling context.

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Yes, and I would use both schemes together to show the current state of scholarship and the state of confusion common to Bible Chronology.

scholar JW

178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

johnamos

Where's the nonsense? The WTS clearly say that God's judgment on Babylon happen in 539.

“The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E

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Agreed. Babylon certainly received a judgement in 539 with its Fall but Jeremiah focussed on a more permanent judgement, one of desolation foretold from Jer.25: 12 onwards.

scholar JW

178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

The timeline actually demonstrates that WT chronology has no validity and is out by 20 years (extending to 68 years by Solomon's time) for purely dishonest reasons.

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No. it is a Chronology with just as much validity as any others- worthy of criticism and careful which is what you are obsessed with namely WT Chronology. Your obsession with the subject demonstrates its validity, does it not?

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Every time you try to 'defend' nonsensical WT chronology, you just come off looking dishonest and stupid. Good luck with that.

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The said scholar has a thick skin!

scholar JW

178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

I did get around to reading COJ's book around 2015, many years after I had established the timeline for the period. The fact that my timeline shows WT chronology to be erroneous is largely the point, and the fact that it is consistent with secular historians and other honest individuals is only because it is correct.

Your claim not to have read COJ prior to 2015 is incredulous but whatever the case you must have come across information that was derived from COJ's research. Your timeline certainly shows the validity of JW Chronology and the fact that it is inconsistent with others is simply opinion which is common to scholarship where experts seldom agree.

scholar JW

178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

Ephraim Stern. “From 604 B.C.E. to 538 B.C.E.—there is a complete gap in evidence suggesting occupation. In all that time, not a single town destroyed by the Babylonians was resettled

Most of the towns were destroyed, and the towns that were destroyed were not resettled throughout the exilic period. Some other towns were not destroyed and remained populated.

-- Well you explain these two comments.

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Complete nonsense. The claim that Babylon was 'called to account' in some manner in 537 BCE is plainly stupid, and the land of Babylon wasn't desolated in 537 either, further invalidating your claim. Daniel 5:26-31 (written later but consistent with how the Jews regarded the period) quite clearly refers to the end of Babylon's days and being called to account when it was conquered in 539.

-- I did not say that Babylon was called into account in 537 BCE. It was only at that time of the Return which was the time of fulfilment of the 70 years after which Babylon was called into account. The fulfilment of the 70 years marked the end of the Exile and the Desolation of Judah. Daniel 5 simply shows that Babylon would soon fall with the approaching end of the Daniel's Exile and the 70 years.

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scholar JW

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178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

What your pretty chart on WT/JW chronology shows that our Chronology has a certain validity and that difference in comparison to other schemes only differs by a few years or at least 20 Years. Your chart is well constructed and I will make good use of it in my defence of our wondrous Bible Chronology. Thank You!!

scholar JW

178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

johnamos

Wrong scholar! Not according to your beloved WTS.

[Jeremiah 25: 11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and THESE NATIONS will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”’ 12 ‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah,]

[8-1-81 WT p. 27-28 – “The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E. when Babylon was overthrown by the Medes and the Persians.”--

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Nonsense you need to study our publications more closely and our comments on Jer. 25:11

scholar JW

178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

Why are we talking about COJ all of a sudden? Watch Tower's timeline for the period is very very wrong as can be seen here (PDF).

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For the reason that you have been influenced by COJ and your timeline does not accord with WT chronology.

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Nope. I've done decision table analysis on various aspects through the Divided Monarchy, independent of Young's research. Claiming it is not a valid method or that it something unique to Young just further demonstrates that you are inept at applying or understanding logic.

-- The logic is that you accessed Decision tables because I informed you about the matter on this forum of Young's research and it was and still is unique to Young.

scholar JW

178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

This is seriously the level of delusion and dishonesty we're dealing with...

Thinks it is a contradiction that Stern says the towns that were destroyed were not resettled but that some other towns weren't destroyed and remained populated

Claims that 'Babylon will be called to account after 70 years' (Jeremiah 25:12) and 'attention will be given to return from exile after 70 years' (Jeremiah 29:10) really means 'Babylon is called to account, then Jews return from exile two years later, then 70 years ends'

Unfortunately, 'scholar' is a lost cause, but other readers of the forum can see through his nonsense.

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You introduced Stern so if there is a contradiction in his statements then that is not my problem.

You need to focus on the fact that the judgement of Babylon only occurred after 70 years was fulfilled and that was not at its Fall in 539 BCE any other interpretation is fanciful. Also, the verse clearly indicated that the land of Babylon would also be desolated which did not happen in with the Fall.

scholar JW