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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

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Jeffro

There you go again claiming I've copied someone else's work, dismissing my work as 'pretty charts' without research, all signs confirming that you feel threatened. You then try to claim credit by imagining that I've provided information merely as a result of your posts, which is also wrong (I would give some credit to former posters on here like AnnOMaly, Leolaia and Alan Feuerbacher for encouraging deeper research though). In fact, I wasn't even aware of this forum when I first posted information online (some of which was copied by JWFacts) - you can readily verify the year 2004 in the footer of my timeline and my first post on this forum in 2005. So yet again, you are shown to be wrong.

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You misread me for I have never said that you have copied another's work but have been heavily influenced by the work of others and fallen under their spell and as I was part of that long-running controversy on this forum over many years there can be no doubt that I have contributed to your obsession with JW Chronology.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

This is just the kind of fallacious 'reasoning' I was referring to when I said that believing JW chronology also makes people susceptible to other irrational thinking. Aside from the fact that there is no way to confirm any statement attributed to Jesus decades after his death, members of any Christian denomination could make the same claim in the face of any opposition.

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Jesus made that statement and I cannot change or revise it and the Witnesses worldwide have been are being persecuted for their faith. As a matter of fact.

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Your own obsession with JW chronology, always on the back foot with unconvincing apologetics, also suggests you feel threatened. On the other hand, I simply provide people with information objectively refuting JW chronology in a free and accessible format. Unlike you, I fear neither refutation nor superstitious end-times scenarios for deviating from any particular view.

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Hardly. I have never been threatened win discussions of Chronology as it is simply 'grist to the mill' with no hint of being intimidated. The only information you provide is a rehash of COJ, some pretty charts with no original ideas or research merely limping on the back of scholar who most likely because of his posts on this forum decades ago introduced you to this subject of Chronology. If it were not for scholar your scribblings would not exist.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

People respond to JW chronology (and other JW-related issues) because JW beliefs are incorrect and result in harm, not because you’re ‘doing something right’ - that’s just your persecution complex.

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Did not Jesus say that his disciples would be persecuted so it cannot be a complex? People respond to our teachings including our wondrous Chronology because they believe these to be true and correct.

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It doesn’t actually take that much of my time but the fact that you think it’s an obsession suggests you feel threatened.

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Hardly so because both of us are obsessed with Chronology.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

Hahaha 🤣 JW chronology is well and truly refuted. I provide information for people who have been subject to JW propaganda whose access to other information is often limited. In the broader community, JW chronology is an irrelevance and is not considered remotely plausible by any independent historian or scholar.

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Ha Ha. We must be doing something right because so many websites have been developed with many scholarships in order to refute our Chronology which like your good self amounts to an obsession. Perhaps many people detect a 'ring of truth'.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

In your analogy, people who endorse JW chronology are more like anti-vaxxers.

Accepting JW chronology in the face of evidence to the contrary is not only detrimental in itself but also increases propensity for accepting other irrational ideas.

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Sadly for you, there is no compelling evidence for refuting our Chronology but simply an array of different interpretations and methodologies hence the dispute and your obsession with the subject-WT Chronology.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

No, especially in the case of JW beliefs, that's the disease, not the cure.

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Whatever it remains an object of criticism and study hence your obsession.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

That's a bit like saying cancer is good because people research cancer.
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Well, cancer and its cure are both objects of research providing a cure and other benefits as with Bible Chronology whatever its source- an object of study and research producing many benefits such as faith in Bible Prophecy etc.
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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro

Sure, that's why it's so highly regarded by actual historians, who regularly cite and endorse Watch Tower Society chronology. That's sarcasm by the way.

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Your comment is immature and ignorant. There are many published Bible Chronologies for there is no one, uniformly accepted Bible Chronology for that is the nature of scholarship.

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It sure is.

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Another stupid and dumb comment, not worthy of you at all. All Chronologies are subject to criticism and it is as it should be including your scheme.

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You are obsessed with WT Chronology as shown by your website so such obsession proves that our Chronology has substance as your pretty chart demonstrates.

scholar JW

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

Jeffro.

It is up to you to interpret Stern for his description which remains problematic for scholars for this period as shown by various archaeologists having different interpretations of the state and nature of Judah during the period of Exile.

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Since I've put together timelines presenting both the correct chronology and the JW chronology, I anticipate further confusion on your part given your propensity for garbling context.

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Yes, and I would use both schemes together to show the current state of scholarship and the state of confusion common to Bible Chronology.

scholar JW

178

Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

scholar

johnamos

Where's the nonsense? The WTS clearly say that God's judgment on Babylon happen in 539.

“The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E

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Agreed. Babylon certainly received a judgement in 539 with its Fall but Jeremiah focussed on a more permanent judgement, one of desolation foretold from Jer.25: 12 onwards.

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