wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro.
Haha. Not at all impressed by your confirmation bias from an evangelical. The fact remains that the actual content of Daniel doesn’t support your position.
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HaHa!. Once again you lose so go away and play with your pretty pictures.
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
Haha. You’re a joke, ‘scholar’. Unable to make any actual direct refutation from the Bible itself, you insist, ‘no you just haven’t read this entire other subjective book that I won’t bother providing any detail from.’ Suffice to say you disagree with many of Waltke’s theological opinions so you’re cherry picking anyway.
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The joke is on you for if you bother to read the endpiece of Waltke's volume it reads as quoted " Through careful, he shows that the unifying theme of the Old Testament is the "inbreaking of the kingdom of God". This theme helps the reader better understand not only the Old Testament, but also the New Testament, the continuity between the Testaments, and ultimately, God himself and one's own self".
Regarding Daniel, I invite you if you so dare to read pp. 158-59.
Enjoy for the said scholar likes to help the little ones.
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
This is a good example of Watch Tower Society lies regurgitated by ‘scholar’. Is ‘God’s kingdom’ really the ‘main theme’ of Daniel?
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I have some really bad news for you. Yes, God's Kingdom is the major if not the theme of Daniel in fact it is the theme of the entire OT. To wit, I simply refer you to at least one major reference work as proof: An Old Testament Theology an exegetical, canonical and thematic approach, Bruce K Waltke, 2007, Zondervan, Grand Rapids, Michigan
The said scholar educating Jeffro in the world of academia!!!
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
Nope. That is a lie perpetuated by JWs. The branch of the Bible Student movement that retained control of the Watch Tower Society later adopted the name Jehovah’s Witnesses. Other Bible Student movement groups still exist, adhering more closely to Russell’s teachings to varying degrees.
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False. That group of Bible Students who were known and recognized under that name under the direction of Russell and his associates later became known as Jehovah's Witnesses.
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
I don’t take reading suggestions from you, which is in any case a fallacious appeal to authority due to your category error. Your ‘reasoning’ is like hearing someone say, “Parisians are French people in the northern hemisphere” and objecting, “No, they’re European
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Just read the book that I cited otherwise your comments are useless.
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
No, you’ve made a category error. 🤦♂️ Millenarians (specifically the belief in Christ’s second advent bringing about the 1,000 year reign) are Adventists. You may be confusing the term Adventist with the more specific ‘7th-day Adventists’ or some other offshoot. And the connections between the Millerite and Bible Student movements are well established. And all of them are offshoots of Protestantism.
If you really want to get specific, I suppose you could say JWs developed via the Bible Student movement via Adventism via Millerism via millennialism via Protestantism, but it still doesn’t get around their Adventist origins via Protestantism --
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Utter nonsense. Have you read the book that i cited-?
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
he Bible Student movement didn’t ‘become known as Jehovah’s Witnesses’. Jehovah’s Witnesses is one branch of the Bible Student movement
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The Bible Students associated with the late Charles Russell became later identified as Jehovah's Witnesses.
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Vanderhoven7
Our beloved Leola writes
“The word parousia does not necessarily denote both "an arrival and a consequent presence"; it commonly denoted just the arrival, such as a terminus or an end-point of a time period (such as a state of affairs continuing UNTIL someone arrives). It is trivially easy to find clear examples of this in Greek literature. The parousia itself would then be a sudden change of the situation as opposed to being itself a duration. That is how it is used in the synoptic apocalypse. It is used interchangeably with erkhomai, and is an event that occurs suddenly or unexpectedly. The comparison of the parousia to the Flood of Noah emphasizes the suddenness of the event that will END an ongoing state of affairs. What was arriving to those on the earth was the Flood itself; it wasn't "invisibly present" beforehand. And even if it was, what happened during those years long before the Flood that made the Flood go from "not present" to "present"? Don't you see the problem? "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left" (v. 40-41). That pertains to the parousia, in analogy with the Flood, and it highlights the suddenness of the event; people would be in the midst of their daily activities when it happens, just as those before the Flood were in the midst of eating, drinking, and so forth. The arrival denoted by the parousia isn't invisible either; " For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. " (v. 27). Sure there would be a presence after this, but it isn't one unremarked upon by the world at large. It was going to be absolutely obvious, with a spectacle in the sky and with a loud trumpet call from the heavens.
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Utter nonsense. Just consult a decent Greek Lexicon !!!
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
JW eschatology is based on Adventism derived from Protestantism so it is entirely unremarkable that it shares some interpretations with those found in Protestant commentaries. It seems you don’t even understand the origin of your own preferred denomination. 🤦♂️ Via Russell and Rutherford, the Watch Tower Society took the nuttiest parts of Protestantism and somehow made it worse. 🤣 Not a good place at all.
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False. Recent published historical research on the origins of the Bible Student's movement later becoming known as Jehovah's Witnesses shows that the early roots were not of Adventism and mainstream Protestantism but the 'Millenarian (Age-to-Come, Literalist) movement with such prophetic study from the start of the 17th century. Refer to A Separate Ideniotry: Organizational Identity Among Readers of Zion's Watch Tower: 1870-1887, B.W.Schulz and R.M.Vienne,2014, Vol.One,p.56, Fluttering Wings Press.
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And you still can’t show any support for your view from the actual source material.
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Noted as above
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Vanderhoven7
The reason they were to pray these things was because the great tribulation was coming and these things would hamper their escape to regions beyond Judaea.
So what you are admitting is that a great tribulation took place in the first century with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE as foretold in Matthew 24:21.--
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Absolutely, a 'great tribulation (without the definite article) would foreshadow 'the Great Tribulation described in the next pericope, vss.. 29-31 and 'the great tribulation' in Rev. 7:13, 14.
So you can have it both ways as confirmed by proper exegesis.
scholar JW
