wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
Apart from you providing the sources you claim are consistent with your independent research, please provide two or three scriptures/lines of evidence from Daniel in support of your opinion, i.e the time of composition was of the 2nd century and not the 6th century. Reasons that would convince any reader of Daniel would suffice.
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
My analysis of Daniel is consistent with the best scholarship.
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You talk about the 'best scholarship' then what are the best sources that you have read or consulted?
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
My analysis of Daniel is consistent with the best scholarship. A deluded Watch Tower Society shill disagreeing with me in the Internet is hardly a ‘problem’ for me.
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Your so-called analysis is just a repetition of others who have traversed this path long before you for you add nothing new to this controversy. Your pathetic delusion on this subject is of no concern to me.
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro.
Only if you pretend that the obvious references to the Seleucid period are magical 🤦♂️
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No magic is required as the Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy on page 228 clearly sets out the only significant role of the Seleucid Kingdom described in Dan.11:5-19.
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I hope you don’t think that’s a coincidence 😂 Adventist groups have Adventist beliefs. Wow. Amazing.
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Adventist scholarship simply broadens and sharpens the debate about the time of the book of Daniel's composition, just adding to your need to widen your research.
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
No, doofus. Despite your attempt to just focus on the incidental typo, the WT book explicitly says the copper kingdom includes the Seleucid period right up until 30 BCE 🤦♂️
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The WT interpretation in the publication addresses the matter quite clearly showing where the Seleucid period fits in Daniel's worldview and that is only fully expressed in the fifteen verses in the 11 th chapter only.
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
Similarly, the Seleucid period is indeed included in the JW interpretations of the corresponding elements in chapter 7 & 8.
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These Seleucid elements are merely consequential, a small part of the main application to the major world powers - the fourth beast in ch.7 and the male goat in ch.8.
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Whilst I did indeed independently arrive at the correct time period for these verses, it is also the mainstream scholarly consensus, so claiming it is just ‘my opinion’ is irrelevant and misleading ad hominem.
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Well if your opinion is truly based on your own independent research then you should be able to provide definitive reasons for your opinion as so far you have failed to do. The problem that you have is proving that Daniel was of late composition.
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
Ha ha. You can't even get your own beliefs right (setting aside the fact that Daniel 2:23, 29 are the wrong verses as well, but I provided the right ones, 32 & 39). Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy, pages 54-55:
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Ha Ha. It is just a typo. Nothing has changed as my comment remains sound harmonizing with the cited pages in our commentary on Daniel. which its entire content debunks your opinion.
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
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Dan.2::23,29 refers to the Grecian World Power and not to the Seleucid Kingdom according to WT scholarship. The duration from 331 BCE to 30 BCE and in its latter days was divided up into four kingdoms which included the Seleucid Kingdom. Your claim that vss. 33; 41-43 covers the period from Alexander to Antiochus IV is your opinion based on no evidence for it is only in Dan 11:5-19 that we have a full prophetic description of the Seleucid Period;
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The four-winged leopard-like beast that represents according to or interpretation of WT scholarship is the Grecian line of rulers beginning with Alexander eventually being divided up into four kingdoms which included Seleucus Nicator who began the Seleucid Dynasty. Thus the focus of this beast is the dynastic rulers rather than the dynastic period that followed which is specifically described later on in Dan.11:5-19 only. Your statement that vss. 6-8; 19-22; 23-25 refers to the period from Alexander to Antiochus IV is simply opinion based again on no facts whatsoever. for that fourth beast herein described refers to the next World Power, Rome according to the interpretation from WT scholarship.
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8:8, 22: as with chapter 7, the 'great horn that was broken into four' depicts Alexander's divided kingdom including the Seleucids and Ptolemies (in reality, verses 8-12 and 22-25 cover this period
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, Dan.8:8, 22 refers to the King of Greece - Alexander as vs.21 clearly states and the dividing up of that kingdom into four parts included again the Seleucid Dynasty which replicates the leopard-like beats in the previous chapter.
In short, the earlier references to the Seleucid King and the Seleucid Period/Kingdom are meagre, fitting well with the overall prophecy of successive kingdoms and World Powers from the 6th century with only a brief description of the Seleucids in the Dan 11:5-19. There is absolutely nothing in Daniel to support a 2nd-century composition as shown by WT scholarship along with SDA scholarship. You have failed to provide a single fact to support your hypothesis!!
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
🤦♂️
scholar JW
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro
Of course, the entire remainder of chapter 11 also refers to the Seleucid period, along with other references in chapters 2, 7 & 8, but I have low expectations about the quality of your responses anyway.
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Nonsense, there are no references at all to the Seleucids in chapters 2, 7 or 8 but only to a part of ch.11 as mentioned in a previous post.
scholar JW
