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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
scholar

Jeffro
Jeremiah 25:11 directly states that "these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years" and you still claim the Bible doesn't refer to '70 years of Babylonish servitude'. Everyone can see how dishonest you are. Don't you understand people are laughing at you?
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Again you pay no attention for nowhere in the OT does the exact expression of' Babylonian servitude or domination' occur for it is only interpreted by the many texts that you cite. Just as in the case you ignore the reality of the Jewish Exile which I believe as do all other scholars is plainly understood or interpreted then one can apply the same rule to the notion of servitude.
The texts that you cite to prove servitude also prove Exile and that is why I have long argued that the seventy years was a period of Jewish Exile at and for Babylon- Servitude to Babylon -Desolation of Jerusalem and Judah from the Fall of Jerusalem in the reigns of Zedekiah and Nebuchadnezzer in 607 BCE until the Return under Cyrus in 537 BCE.
Got it?
scholar JW
540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
scholar

Jeffro
Thanks for indicating to honest readers that you have either misrepresented or have not read the three 'articles' that I linked to.
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I am fully aware of your nonsense which is falsified by your ignoring the historical reality of the Exile of 70 years duration based on an interpretation of the relevant texts from the OT.
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The three 'articles' are actually just sections of the same page, comprising just a few sentence followed by lists of scriptures that directly support the statements made.
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Simply put your three articles ignore the reality of the Jewish Exile which was a calamity and to quote one leading Exilic scholar a 'catastrophe' thus such articles contain bunkum not saved by pretty coloured charts which are a distortion of the meaning of the relevant texts.
scholar JW
540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
scholar
Jeffro
- Jeremiah 25:11–12: And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years. 12 “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.
  Jeremiah 27:6–11: And now I have given all these lands into the hand of my servant King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon; even the wild beasts of the field I have given him to serve him. 7 All the nations will serve him and his son and his grandson until the time for his own land comes, when many nations and great kings will make him their slave.’ 8 “‘“‘If any nation or kingdom refuses to serve King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon and refuses to put its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, I will punish that nation with the sword, with famine, and with pestilence,’ declares Jehovah, ‘until I have finished them off by his hand.’ 9 “‘“‘Therefore, do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your dreamers, your magicians, and your sorcerers, who are saying to you: “You will not serve the king of Babylon.” 10 For they are prophesying lies to you, so that you will be taken far away from your land and I will disperse you and you will perish. 11 “‘“‘But the nation that brings its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serves him, I will allow to remain on its land,’ declares Jehovah, ‘to cultivate it and dwell in it.’”’”
  Chronicles 36:20: He carried off captive to Babylon those who escaped the sword, and they became servants to him and his sons until the kingdom of Persia began to reign,
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  Sorry, not one of these verses shows the expression '70 years of Babylonish servitude or domination' just as you have argued that there is no such expression '70 years of Exile'.Such are interpretations alone based on an interpretation of such relevant texts.
540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
scholar
Disillusioned JW
- Regarding scholar's comment to me of "This mere opinion for you notice that no firm evidence is provided for this nonsense" in reference to the what the introduction of the two study Bibles said regarding Antiochus IV Epiphanes, the two study Bibles provided some of the evidence in the commentary of the biblical verses. I did not bother type that documentation into my post. I invite those interested to read them directly in either of the two study Bibles. Furthermore, other scholarly books mention in detail how a number of verses in the "Book of Daniel" pertain to Antiochus IV Epiphanes. I encourage people to read some of those books also.
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  Please provide at least ONE example or proof that any verse in Daniel is applicable to Antiochus Epiphanes IV.
  scholar JW
540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
scholar
Jeffro
Further, when the Bible writers refer to 'Exile' what then is this period and how long is it?
----When you deny the historical reality of the Exile then you end up with bunkum as contained in your three articles
--scholar JW
540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
scholar
Jeffro
such obvious dishonesty. But it is indeed the case that when one reads in the OT about ‘exile’ and about ‘70 years’, it never mentions ‘70 years of exile’. Already provided links for details about all related issues, with full scriptural backing.
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True such an expression '70 years of exile' nowhere occurs in the OT but nowhere does' 70 years of Babylonish domination or servitude' occur in the OT.
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Most pertinent to your specific lie:
- Does serving Babylon mean exile?
- Does the Bible specify a Jewish exile of 70 years?
Most pertinent are your lies contained in your two fabrications of Bible history
scholar JW
540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
scholar
Jeffro
The Bible never mentions an exile of 70 years.
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So when reads the OT especially Jeremiah, Daniel. Lamentations, Ezra, 2 Chronicles.one reads no mention of an Exile and no mention of the 'seventy years of Jeremiah'?
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- Honest readers can find answers to the most pertinent issues below:
  Who would serve Babylon for 70 years?
  When did Babylon’s 70 years begin?
  Does serving Babylon mean exile?
  Does the Bible specify a Jewish exile of 70 years?
  What is the context of Jeremiah 29:10?
  What would happen when the 70 years ended?
  When was Babylon’s king ‘called to account’?
  When did the Jews return from Babylon?
  For how long did the land pay its Sabbaths
Honest readers should just read the Bible than subtle attempts such as Jeffro's fabrications to obscure the historical and theological reality of the Jewish Exile of 70 years under Babylonian Servitude or Domination known by scholars as the Babylonian Captivity a period from the Fall of Jerusalem until the Return.
Further, when the Bible writers refer to 'Exile' what then is this period and how long is it?
540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
scholar

Jeffro
You talk about my poor comprehension skills then let me put this simple proposition to you:
If we agree that the Jews returned home by means of Cyrus' Decree in 537 /538/536 BCE
That there was an Exile of 70 years or a period of servitude at/to/for Babylon as stated by Jeremiah, Daniel. Ezra
Then we count back 70 years we get to either 607 BCE etc
One does not get to 587 BCE etc
Please explain simply and not by convolution!
Would you like another test of comprehension regarding the length of the siege of Jerusalem?
scholar JW
540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
scholar

Jeffro
Haha. I suspected it was due to your poor comprehension skills. My response starting with “Notice how the apologists…” was obviously responding to both quoted statements, and there was no “‘stand alone’ comment”.. 😂
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You posted Rattigan350' comment as a 'stand alone' comment to which the said scholar responded forthwith.
When you refer to my poor comprehension skills then perhaps you apply the same to your understanding of the History of Israel especially in dealing with Chronology!! Ha hah ha!
scholar JW
540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
scholar

Disillusioned JW
The stories and visions are set in the Babylonian and Persian periods (sixth-fourth centuries B.C.E.), but they reflect a later time, primarily that of successors to Alexander the Great. Antiochus IV Epiphanes (175-163 B.C.E) and his wars with the Egyptians (see 7.8 n.) are especially in view. In chs. 7-12, Antiochus though anonymous as befits apocalyptic literature, emerges in more and more detail as the oppressor of the Jews."
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This mere opinion for you notice that no firm evidence is provided for this nonsense.
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The above is further evidence that the book called "Book of Daniel" (or simply named "Daniel") was written in about the year 164 B.C.E. The above is also further evidence that the 'Book of Daniel" has at least one incorrect view about the period prior to 164 B.C.E. (such as regarding the Medes), and some incorrect predictions of what was to happen soon after the year 164 B.C.E. (such as the establishment of God's kingdom over the whole planet Earth and hence the end of all gentile governments).
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Utter nonsense for again this observation is simply an opinion or an interpretation of certain chapters in the book of daniel. Common sense would indicate that if the book is of a 6th-century setting then that is most likely it is also its date of composition proven by the many date stamps throughout the book like a 'book-end'.
scholar JW