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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

scholar

Jeffro

I don’t care what you ‘require’, nor about your tedious misrepresentation of what I said. Your nutty 607 doctrine is thoroughly wrong from every angle. You’re clearly beyond help, as recently demonstrated by your pitifully sad ‘interpretation’ of Babylon’s 70 years at Jeremiah 25:11. This isn’t some balanced difference of opinion open for ‘dialogue’. Your unfounded position is thoroughly wrong. You can go away until I feel like trouncing you at another juncture.

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The only thing that I require from you is 'put up or shut up'. Your nutty repetition of the viewpoint of 587 BCE is biblically false. Your interpretation of Jer. 25:11 is simply that and does not accurately represent the context of the text, the other 70 year textual corpus and the fact of the Exile for starters. Your position conflicts with the Bible and is simply a repetition of COJ's thesis and that of 7th Day Adventist scholars from the fifties.

scholar JW

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

scholar

Jeffro

😂 You claim to understand this subject but you need every little thing explained. 🤦‍♂️ Parroting the number of lines on the tablet is pointless when it is obvious that you don’t understand the content or how publication of the tablet aided with establishing the chronology of Nebuchadnezzar. I have sufficiently shown other readers the depth of your cognitive dissonance for now. You may go.

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No . What I require from you is an explanation or the entering into a respectful dialogue. I have a copy of a translation into English of this clay tablet. You have made certain claims about this tablet that in some way supports 587 BCE and I have said that this document supports 607 BCE. So, we have a 'Mexican standoff' and that is fine with me. The document clearly identifies events and regnal years of Nebuchadnezzar but it is open to a historical reconstruction relating it to parallel events of the biblical record. Plain and simple. So the challenge is for you to provide clear instruction as to how this document supports 587 BCE. Can you or will you do this and help the said scholar?

scholar JW

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

scholar

Jeffro

🤦‍♂️ Given his ineptness, I’m not really surprised that ‘scholar’ is waiting for something that was never suggested and isn’t the purpose of BM 21946, while glossing over the fact that it contradicts JW chronology during the actual period that the tablet addresses. He probably doesn’t even understand what the contradiction is. Pathetic.

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It was you not me that introduced BM 21946 into this discussion on the understanding that in some way this clay tablet contains information in support of 587 BCE. Conversely, I would argue on the basis of this tablet which by the way is one of the 17 lines of evidence used by COJ to disprove 607 BCE in favour of 587 BCE that the 23 lines on the front side and the 25 lines on its reverse side favour 607 BCE rather than 597 BCE. Yet you talk about me being pathetic, Go away and play with your pretty charts and lose yourself in a tangled web of fantasy.

scholar JW

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

scholar

Jeffro

Wrong as usual. The tablet has Nebuchadnezzar staying in Babylon in his 5th year to build his army but JW chronology requires that he was on campaigns demanding tribute throughout Palestine during that period. 🤦‍♂️

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It is nice to see Jeffro actually quoting from BM21946 regarding his position in his 5th year wherein he assembled his armies and the said scholar can't wait for his further commentary on Neb's invasion into the Hattu Land in support of the impossible date of 587 BCE for the destruction of Jerusalem, an event not described in this tablet.

scholar JW

282

How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

scholar

Jeffro

😂 alone… concurrently… the fact that he doesn’t see a problem here really demonstrates an interesting pathology. 🤦‍♂️

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No problem for its an explanation of the servitude of Judah principally for 70 years commensurate with other nations which at that time Babylon was the World Power inaugurated in 607 BCE.

Nice and simple!!

scholar JW

282

How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

scholar

Jeffro

Wow. He also doesn’t know the distinction between ‘Adventist’ and ‘7th-day Adventist’. Maybe he needs a Venn diagram. 🤦‍♂️

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I know the difference between Adventists and the 7th Day Adventists for the Adventists are a broad church. Still, when we speak of 'Adventists', we usually refer to the 7th Day Adventists who originally pioneered Chronology scholarship via Edwin Thiele.

scholar JW

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

scholar

Jeffro

Yes, we’re painfully aware of your frequently repeated parroting of Adventist nonsense that distorts the clearly stated application of the Bible’s references to all the nations serving Babylon for 70 years until it was conquered by the Persians. 🤦‍♂️ 🙄

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Adventists do not have this belief of the '70 years' but share an identical belief to that of COJ and yourself. Further, the text does not mean that the nations would serve Babylon for 70 years but Judah alone would serve Babylon for 70 years along with the other nations who would be in servitude to Babylon concurrently.

scholar JW

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

scholar

Jeffro

You’re seriously doubling down on this nonsense? I didn’t make any such claim. BM21946 does not directly support Jerusalem’s destruction in 587BCE, because it doesn’t mention that siege at all. Because 607 is definitely wrong, the tablet naturally doesn’t support that year either.

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I know that and I am fully aware of the significance of this document to the dating of the Fall of Jerusalem whether it is 587 or 607 BCE.

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The correct year is 587BCE. Repetition of Thiele’s dating from the 1940s does not trump the fact that the source material, including the Bible, BM21946 and thousands of contemporary cuneiform records, only allows for the event occurring in 587BCE.

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The correct year is 607 BCE and not 587 or any other year. Thiele, even today is the 'go-to man' in respect of Bible Chronology and he advocated 586 BCE which remains widely accepted even today. So do not make your problem my problem. And again, BM 21946 does not support 587 but supports the biblical date of 607 BCE as its historical outline of Neb's foray into the Hattu land clearly proves.

scholar JW

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

scholar

Jeffro

Poor ‘scholar’, addled by years of the Watch Tower Society misrepresenting the Bible, can’t understand what ‘all the nations serving Babylon’ means. The context of 70 years of all the nations serving Babylon is quite clear, and Jeremiah’s description of the ‘yoke’ even more so.

Even the Watch Tower Society’s own Isaiah commentary recognises that it is 70 years of Babylon’s dominance. 😂

Poor pitiful ‘scholar’.

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The said scholar has never denied the fact of Jewish servitude to Babylon and that of other nations. and that in the case of Tyre (domination), it was for 70 years as it was for the Jews which period of servitude was in fact the Exile- Babylonian Exile. In fact, the said scholar has long argued that the 70 years were of three elements: Servitude to Babylon-Exile in Babylon- Desolation of Judah by Babylon.

scholar JW

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

scholar

Jeffro

I never actually said that at all, and I initially thought the inept ‘scholar’ was simply lying. But it occurs to me that he was just confused about my correct statement that modern scholarship (as opposed to modern parroting of older scholarship) favours 587BCE because I included a parenthetical clause that this is particularly since the publication of BM 21946 established dating for earlier events in Nebuchadnezzar’s reign. He really is quite tedious. 🤦‍♂️

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It is like this. You make a claim about the BM 21946 that it supports 587 CE which I reject because I claim that the Babylonian Chronicle supports 607 BCE rather than 587 BCE. Scholarship whether modern or older has no consensus regarding a specific date for the Fall of Jerusalem with such proposed dates as 586, 587 or 588 BCE. Now is that simple for you?

scholar JW