Jeffro
There’s no evidence that Jesus said any of the words later attributed to him. Sorry if you missed the memo but Jesus is dead.
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Read the Olivet Discourse which contains Jesus' sayings.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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Jeffro
Rubbish. There has been no statement from the US Geological Survey or any similar organisation associating the earthquake in Turkey with any religious superstition, nor do they indicate 1914 having any bearing on the frequency or severity of earthquakes. It is typical of doomsday nutters to latch on to any natural disaster and claim it is significant to their nutbaggery.
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Tell that to our Lord Jesus, our sweet Lord Jesus who prophesied about great earthquakes as part of the Sign of his Presence in the Olivet Discourse.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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Jeffro
You keep making this trite assertion, because you like to make it appear as though there is ambiguity regarding the secular dating. But various sources simply repeat Thiele’s dating of 586 BCE from the 1940s before more information was available. The correct year is definitely 587 BCE. I note you never cite any modern sources that assess the date as 586 BCE rather than simply repeat that old traditional dating.
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It is not an assertion but a plain fact that scholars since the time of Thiele from the fifties at least advocate two dates for the Fall of Jerusalem: 586 or 587 BCE. Even currently the date 586 BCE is the preferred date among serious scholars so if you have a problem with this then I suggest that you write a paper in defence of 587 and a refutation of 586 BCE
if you are fair dinkum I can list scholars who sup[port 586 and the most recent to hand is Obed Lipschits who I have already referenced on this post.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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Jeffro
1. The preponderance of evidence based on NB Chronology advocated by current scholarship positively identifies at least two dates for the Fall of Jerusalem: 586 and 587 BCE. However, Bible Chronology based on the historical reality of the Jewish/Babylonian Exile of 70 years confirmed by secular history and astronomical records prove beyond any doubt that 607 BCE is the correct year for the Fall of Jerusalem.
2. Thus, according to your worldview the date 587 BCE is meaningless. However, true Christians as Bible students have a worldview based on Bible Prophecy and an understanding of Eschatology which not only makes 607 BCE a date of historical significance but marks 1914 CE as a year of prophetic significance creating a firm basis for faith, hope and love.
3. The date 1914 can hardly be a contrivance as its calculation is simply marking an end of the Gentile Times or the 'appointed times of the nations- a specific statement made by our Lord, Jesus Christ. Even right now we see the current earthquake in Turkey as a confirmation that we are living in the Parousia of our Lord beginning in 1914 CE. TH expression ' Babylon's70 years of dominance' is not found in the Bible but is your interpretation originating with SDA and replicated by COJ . Jeremiah's prophecy of the 70 years is described by four Bible writers- Jeremiah, Daniel, Zechariah and Ezra as a fixed, historic period of Exile in Babylon- Servitude to Babylon- Desolation of the Land of Judah and Jerusalem beginning in the historic years of two reigning Kings namely Zedekiah of Judah and Nebuchadnezzer of Babylon as 607 BCE with the Fall of Jerusalem and ending in the historic reign of King Cyrus of Persia with his Decree releasing the Exiles to Return home in 537 CE fulfilling to the very month the prophesied period of 70 years.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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Jeffro
scholar’ would argue that the evidence is just misinterpreted (as it tends to be in all the really inconvenient places 🤦♂️). I suppose the modern population of Tyre are misinterpreting their existence too, since it would never be rebuilt or even found. 😂
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The said 'scholar' would demonstrate that Archaeology is not an exact science but is based on available evidence such as artifacts and the interpretation of such excavated materials.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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Jeffro
t would be funny to watch people like ‘scholar’ if they did abandon 1914. But no, they can’t. That is to say, if they did, it would be like the Great Disappointment resulting in most leaving and a few breakaway sects with altered nutbaggery.
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Would it not be funny to watch people like Jeffro if current scholarship abandoned 586 or 587 BCE in favour of 607 BCE which validates 1914 CE as the birth of God's Kingdom.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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"Scholar" said : " all of the population had left Judah leaving the Land desolate for a fixed period of 70 years until they returned home 70 years later"
Archaeology clearly shows the land of Judah was NOT left without population during this period. Occupation and farming continued.
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Archaeology at the moment is rather open to the nature of the Land whether it was fully deserted or unoccupied as the Bible explicitly states or that it was populated to some degree. However, it is what the Bible says that overrules the opinions of archaeologists which are built on 'shifting sands'.
The said scholar is very much aware of the matter as he has completed a short online course under the tutelage of Prof. Obed Lipschits who authored The Fall and Rise of Jerusalem -Judah under Babylonian Rule, 2013,Eisenbraums which was the principal textbook for this course. The said scholar received a Certificate for this course.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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Jeffro
This is the kind of dishonest stupidity he has to resort to, as if saying there is no mention of a 70-year exile is the same as saying there was no exile at all. So blatantly dishonest. 😂
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The fact of the Jewish Exile is widely acknowledged from the time of the Babylonian invasion of Judah under Neb until the release of the Jews under Cyrus which period is defined in the biblicard record by numerous authors as 70 years.
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Most of the Jews were exiled in early 597 BCE. Those exiles were told in 594 BCE that Babylon would have 70 years. Later, more people were exiled when Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 BCE. Later still, some more were exiled in 582 BCE. Some Jews returned in 538 BCE, and the period from Jerusalem’s destruction until their return was 49 years, the same period of paying sabbaths indicated in Leviticus.
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This is simply your interpretation of the history of the period. There were two deportations of Jews under Neb but the Exile as a national catastrophe did not begin until all of the population had left Judah leaving the Land desolate for a fixed period of 70 years until they returned home 70 years later to rebuild the Temple, its city and Land which by that time had fully repaid the sabbaths.
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Babylon’s 70 years definitely ended in 539 BCE ‘when Persia began to reign’, after Babylon was ‘called to account’ and therefore began in 609 BCE, which is when Assyria disappeared from history. Jeremiah said the nations had already been ‘given into Nebuchadnezzar’s hand’ by the time he addressed both Jehoiakim and Zedekiah.
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Babylon's 70 years ended with the Return of the Jews under Cyrus in 537 BCE because as Jeremiah prophesied the end of the 70 years was described as a fulfilment, from that point on Babylon's judgement went into effect after 537 BCE, not in 539 BCE.
Poor Jjeffro is misled by false teachers and surrenders his thinking ability. So sad, to bad.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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Jeffro
the doofus who thinks that ‘all the nations serving Babylon’ means ‘Jewish exile’ would proceed to lecture me about the contents of Jeremiah. 😂 Seriously, just go away. I have already provided a website that furnishes all necessary details for a decent understanding of the relevant topics.
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Personal insults do help your cause. The fact a nation in servitude to a foreign power with its population deported away from its homeland for a fixed period of time would by any definition constitute a fact of Exile.
Your website is nothing more than an assortment of pretty coloured charts combined with commentary replicating COJ's thesis and SDA scholarship from the fifties.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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Jeffro
Ah yes, the JW (Adventist) doctrine of the ‘march of the World Powers’. Except, in their own doctrine, the World Power immediately before Babylon was… Assyria. And Babylon’s final conquest of Assyria was in… 609 BCE. This is completely consistent with all the nations serving Babylon for 70 years until it was conquered by Persia in 539 BCE. Even though this could be presented as some remarkable ‘fulfilment of Bible prophecy’ (though the texts were heavily edited after the events), this is not convenient for JW dogma. What a tangled web of fantasy indeed. 😂
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So, it seems that you are arguing for 609 BCE? as the beginning of the 70 years with the Fall of Assyria. This is plain and utter nonsense because Jeremiah the prophet who prophesied about a future 70 years was uttered after the Fall of Assyria in fact it was in Jehoiakim, King of Judah in his 4th year and in Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon in his 1st year calculated as 625/624 BCE according to Bible Chronology. It was not until Neb invaded Judah and dethroned the reigning monarch, King Zedekiah, the last king of Judah with the Fall of Jerusalem causing the Exile that that prophecy began to be fulfilled in 607 BCE.
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