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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

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  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jeffro

  587BCE is preferred among secular sources. 586BCE is preferred by sources simply relying on traditions rather than the specific evidence. No modern analysis of the chronology prefers 586 over 587.

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  Utter rubbish!

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  This drivel is nothing more than wishful thinking. The period is very solidly established and confirmed by astronomical observations.

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  It is called methodology something which you know nothing about.

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  He quite definitely has not ‘proven’ that the planetary observations fit 588BCE, which is impossible. Furuli is neither an astronomer nor a historian, so he’s no more qualified than me for assessing the astronomical observations in VAT 4956, hence a fallacious argument from authority.

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  Furuli has discussed the planetary observations in great detail and has published his findings on their relevance to VAT 4956 and has found that "not completely correct, there are good reasons to believe that they represent backward calculations by an astrologer who believed that 568/7 was year 37 for Nebuchadnezzer". In short, put these in the bin!! Furuli is a Semitic scholar and has shown competence in the use of astro tables and software and has expert knowledge of the language of VAT 4956.

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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Alethia

  Why don't you discuss the trumpet blasts Scholar? Do you belive they have anything to do with Conventions such as 1922 Cedar Point Ohio etc?

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  The said scholar loves those 'trumpet blasts' and how they have been fulfilled on God's people- anointed or the elect or chosen ones during the Lord's Day from 1914 CE

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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jorden

  Ok, with that noted tell me when these 42-months that occur during the 6th trumpet/2nd woe, tell me when they take place???-

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  Tishri15 or October 4/5 1914 through to Nisan 14 or March 26/27, 1918

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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jeffro

  Relative to known events in Nebuchadnezzar’s reign such as the battle of Carchemish, the Bible actually falsifies 586 BCE and confirms 587BCE.

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  Utter nonsense. Scholars today currently endorse 586 BCE rather than 587 BCE

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  Entirely false. Even the Watch Tower Society’s poor 2001 attempt admitted that the business documents are entirely consistent with the established chronology. Their footnote says: “Business tablets exist for all the years traditionally attributed to the Neo-Babylonian kings. When the years that these kings ruled are totaled and a calculation is made back from the last Neo-Babylonian king, Nabonidus, the date reached for the destruction of Jerusalem is 587 B.C.E.”

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  Such business documents necessitate the converting of any regnal data into a modern-day calendar and are subject to a 'fine tuning' in order o accommodate a 'twenty-year gap in the NB Period.

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  VAT 4956 contains planetary observations that categorically cannot be reconciled with 588 BCE (even if you pretend the names of the planets are ambiguous), hence it has no relevance to the destruction of Jerusalem in 587 BCE.

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  Rolf Furuli has researched this subject and proved that both the planetary observations along with the lunar observations are a better fit for 588 BCE rather than 568 BCE. Furuli is the only scholar to date that has researched and examined VAT 4956 since Neugebauer and Weidner, 1915.

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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Vidqun

  An interesting article, attempting to harmonize the Bible with the Babylonian Chronicles is A. R. Green (1982). “The Chronology of the Last Days of Judah: Two Apparent Discrepancies.” Journal of Biblical Literature, 101, pp. 71, 72.

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  The said scholar has this article in his theological library.

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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jeffro

  The Bible falsifies 607

  Neo-Babylonian cuneiform business records falsify 607

  The planetary positions in VAT 4956 falsify 607

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  The Bible clearly and most definitively falsifies 586 and 587 BCE

  Neo Babylonian cuneiform business documents falsify 586 and 587 BCE

  The planetary positions and the lunar positions in VAT 4956 falsify 586 and 587 BCE

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  207

  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jorden

  Yes, Scholar that is true and if you spent half the time you do on concerning yourself with the dates, then you would actually have some knowledge to what the Scripture's state and you would realize that it does not matter 607/587 because the appointment times of the nations are not from 607 to 1914...they are the last 42-months of Satan's world that the 8th king will rule over God's people. When those 42-months/appointed times end, Jesus will come with God's kingdom and put and end to Satan's world/kingdom. That is when the 7th trumpet will sound and God's kingdom will begin to rule with Jesus and his chosen that will at that time be gathered to him to rule for the 1,000 years.

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  What utter nonsense for the 'appointed times of the nations' or the Gentile Times is the time period from the Fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE until the 1914 CE -enthronement of God's Kingdom and Christ's Parousia as recognized by Bible expositors and in harmony with Biblical Theology.

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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jeffro

  Yeah, don’t bother poor ‘scholar’ with what the Bible actually says. That’s not the JW way.

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  Yeah, don't bother with poor Jeffro with what the Bible says because he does not believe in the Bible.

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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jorden

  Boy, you quote lotta scripture!!!

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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Anony Mous

  Before you say the scientific evidence is arguable, there are over 2000 documents from the time that set the dates for the first and second siege of Jerusalem by the Babylonians, including the destruction of the temple in the second siege. It sets this from both contemporary dating methods as well as astronomical evidence. One thing the Babylonians were good at was keeping track of things, basically a bunch of bureaucrats. If you follow the WTBTS calculations, the sieges and mobilizations of troops from Babylon would’ve had to start before Nebuchadnezzar even started ruling.

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  However, not one of those 2000 tablets mentions or refers to the biblical 70 years.

  scholar JW