Posts by scholar

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

It’s not my problem that you don’t understand the genre of Revelation. 🤦‍♂️ (So much for JWs being such great Bible teachers. 😂) Jesus was expected to return within a generation of his death, after the great tribulation. He didn’t. They were wrong.

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The said scholar is very familiar with the genre of Revelation as he has studied this subject at great depth. Your view that Jesus was expected to return within a generation of his death after the great tribulation is wrong as such aprevilaing opinion ampngst some was corrected by the Apostle Paul in

Jeffro

It’s not my problem that you don’t understand the genre of Revelation. 🤦‍♂️ (So much for JWs being such great Bible teachers. 😂) Jesus was expected to return within a generation of his death, after the great tribulation. He didn’t. They were wrong.

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The said scholar is very familiar with the genre of Revelation. The view that some expected Jesus' return after his death and the great tribulation was later corrected by the Apostle Paul in his Thessalonians and now we can be ever so grateful for the understanding made by the FDS regarding the manner and timing of the Return or Second Advent of our dear Lord Jesus Christ.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Yeah, direct analysis of evidence is just like words in a story attributed to someone decades after their death. 🤦‍♂️ You don’t need to keep demonstrating the extent of your delusion. It’s already obvious. And it sounds like you don’t understand what atheism is too.

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WT scholars know all about direct analysis of evidence as it has been applied to NB Chronology including VAT 4956 and found that such materials along with sound exegesis prove 607 BCE and 1914 CE which began the 'Lord's Day' accompanied with the 'seven trumpets'- 'seven woes' and the '42 months' much to the chagrin of Jeffro.

Further, regarding your atheism are you a 'theoretical atheist' or a 'practical atheist'?

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro the Skeptic

Stories written by people who survive floods contain details about people surviving floods. Amazing. The claim that they are “identical” Is simply a lie though.

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Noah and his family survived the worldwide Flood and lived to tell the story which has been reproduced universally in all different cultures which establishes the historicity of the Flood account in Genesis.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

The 42 months already happened in 66-70CE. Christian expectations for what would follow were simply wrong, and they’ve been making up alternatives ever since.

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Prove it. How can something stated decades later such as the time of writing Revelation as prophecy be now considered to be historical in 66-70 CE?

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

Aside from the fact that there’s no way of knowing that Jesus said anything attributed to him decades after his death, Jesus also purportedly said that Abraham was up in heaven able to deliver drops of water to people suffering in hell. But you don’t believe that’s literal. And if Jesus did literally believe Adam and Eve were real people, then he was wrong.

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Equally, the said scholar can apply the same line of reasoning to all of your propositions including your claims about Chronology, VAT 4956, Neb's regnal years in the Chronicles etc. as you have no firm position with the exception of your atheism which only leads to scepticism. For sceptics, there is no proof for any proposition.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

joey jojo

The flood story is not widespread. We have 1 biblical flood story and all the rest from around the world are different. Given that pretty much every human settlement of any size have always lived close to rivers/ lakes, it would be strange NOT to have numerous flood legends from all around the place.

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The simple fact is that all of the universal flood stories are similar or identical to the world wide not local Flood of Noah.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Beth Sarim

Because there is no "evidence" of such things.

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The evidence is in God's Word, the Holy Bible

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jeffro

‘scholar’ seems to imagine these are negative qualities. But in reality, in the absence of evidence for assertions about deities, the default position is atheism. Not to mention the mountains of evidence that categorically show that the ‘flood’ is nothing more than a tale adapted from the Babylonian Gilgamesh Epic. Do better, ‘scholar’.

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If a person does not stand for something then where is the credibility? In relation to the Flood, there is a mountain of evidence for a global Flood and the fact that the story of the Flood is widespread in ancient and modern cultures is a testament to its authenticity..

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

Jefro

Back on Jorden’s topics, neither ‘scholar’ nor Fisherman have provided any justification whatsoever for the several ways that JW interpretations about the ‘appointed times of the nations’ and related concepts deviate from what the Bible actually says.

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A demand from a person who does not even believe in the Bible especially the Flood and Noah's Ark. The said scholar is ready and more than happy to discuss the subject of the 'Gentile Times ' or the 'appointed times of the nations'.

scholar JW

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

scholar

wozza

As for Scholar ,well you represent all that is bad in the religion ,from hypocrisy to arrogance and self importance all qualities of the governing body and the drones below them. Keep going I say for you are assisting those now that come here ,and especially Jeffro in helping future ones see what JW are.

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The said scholar thanks you for your compliment and is somewhat chastened by such comments and when it comes to Jeffro he professes atheism and does not believe in the Flood and and Noah's Ark.

scholar JW