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There is so much evidence around us that God exists! You only need to open your eyes and you will see that everything was made by inteligent life.
Actually, GodBeliever, I have a keen interest in animal life, including the less known and the more bizarre examples of animal life. And if anything, when you include everything other than just the butterflies and adorable kittens, etc., there's a savageness with many of the animal life forms. Things that you can't blame on the fall.
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100% Bible Literalism has a short History, from the late 19th Century to the present, started as an opposing view to the Textual Scholars who were by then showing more about what the Texts really said, and what the Writers meant.
Phizzy, I recently came across this youtube video, and at the beginning of the video, it stated that the belief in divine creation existed among most western scientists prior to the mid 19th century prior to when Darwin's theory of evolution became popular.
Theory of Evolution: How did Darwin come up with it? - BBC News
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Did he "believe" in them though? (if he even existed - this is a trick theists play to have you arguing about the wrong thing, and just "accept" another bold claim with zero evidence)
If I say "it's like the tortoise and the hare" does it mean I believe that a tortoise and a hare got together and had a running race? Or am I just referring to a story that people are familiar with?
But, Simon, fundamentalist Christians and JWs don't look at it like that. They literally believe that Adam and Eve were real, historical people.
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Yes, I was raised be old school parents and I not interested in any literature which was written after the late 40s early 50s when it was decided to change course and JW to become a religion.
Well, GodBeliever, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So are you one of those who are know as the Bible Students?
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Hi! my name is Adrian and I am also new to the forum. I do not want to offend anyone or argue. Just trying to present the other side of the story. I am a Jehovah witness but not associated with WT. I do believe in the Bible and I believe that Adam and Eve were real and they were made by God through science, same as humans create today artificial life. Jesus existed before Adam and Eve took part at their creation.
As for the world creation JW never thaught that was done in six literal days. It was actually six days of 7000 years each. This was only for life creation.The age of earth and universe is not known. We are in the seventh day now which is made of 6000 years that have already past plus the judgement day mentioned in revelation which will last 1000 years. In this rest day God was inactive regarding earth and he delegated all responsibility to Jesus.
Most people struggle with the facts presented in the bible, but I do struggle with the big bang and what it was before that. How from nothing and chaos resulted life with its complexity and with the genetic code which I believe is pure science that comes from intelligent life.
So, GodBeliever, you say that you're a Jehovah's witness, but not associated with the WT. Hmmm. You could have fooled me.
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That's a tough one because at the end of the day I would like to hope that I will be resurrected one way or another through Jesus our savior. Maybe God worked on prehistoric man prior and Adam and Eve were the finished product.
Well, that's the thing, nowwhat? Perhaps is that the reason why fundamentalist Christians can be so unbendable and fanatical? Also, perhaps that is why I think twice about all this because of a concern for indefinitely extending my life presence. Perhaps that is the reason why people are so fierce in believing in things that don't really measure up to scrutiny.
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Hehe, anyone ask a Bible related question and behold the atheist storm from the Netherworld. We know not all ancient people believed in a literal Adam and Eve. The gnostics is one example. But it also has to do with whether the traditional literalist persuasion is true or not. Reading much prophecy becomes quite difficult if you insist on literal interpretations. Of course with the advent of scientific theories about man, it becomes even harder to argue for a literal talking snake and magical trees. I remember my first biblical inclination before even believing was that Genesis 1 is poetry. I sticked on to that ever since adding perhaps John Calvin's view that it is a simple tale for all, the simple minded included so they could get the message too 😉😁
So, JoenB75, are you a progressive Christian?
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Thank you for your replies everyone. But now I'm going to need to catch up with the 6 pages so far. But first I would like to address Ander's question:
Would it surprise you to learn not all mainstream churches subscribe to a literalist interpretation of Adam and Eve?
Yes, I am aware of that, but I was referring to fundamentalist Christians and the reason why they are so unbendable(and in some cases fanatical and even hostile) with their beliefs. Because without Jesus quoting Genesis and the Eden story, I believe that fundamentalist Christians would be more flexible in seeing the flaws and the discrepancies in the Adam and Eve story.
i have a friend who would like to write an article all about the failure of jwism to protect children.
what sites do you think i could direct them too without sending them down a rabbit hole of craziness??
i’m definitely sending them to trey bundy’s articles.
JW Survey:
https://jwsurvey.org/
The JW child abuse issue is one of the main topics of Lloyd Evans' site.
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Hi. I'm new to the forum. I'm an ex-JW who actually faded from JWs. I'm here to drop by every once in a while to ask a question or two. Also, I prefer not to seek out a debate forum because I have no desire for debate. Also, even though it's been a long time since I was a JW, I still research information about religion and science. Plus, religion is a highly charged topic, and to the point where you can seriously offend and upset people of various Christian faiths.
But regardless of all the ends and outs of the various beliefs of various Christian faiths, I would say that the bottom line for fundamentalist Christian belief is that Jesus believed that Adam and Eve were real and historical people. And the Christian faith is based on that belief. However, even though, I'm not an expert in science, science itself points to it being impossible for the human race to have come from only two people around 6000 years ago. But I started this topic because even at this point in my life, I sometimes think twice about the whole religious thing.
Therefore, does anyone support the historicity of the Adam and Eve story, or do you disregard the Genesis story as being real and historic? Please feel free to share your point of view.
