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  Jesus Believed In Adam and Eve

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  i'm an ex-jw who actually faded from jws.

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  Parker

  Parker,

  I dont know what progressive Christian means. I just recognise a lot in the Bible is not literal. Just look at the old testament prophets. Also the Bible reader should try to understand time and culture of the stuff written. Audience relevance.

  Here, JoeB75:

  Progressive Christianity is a "post-liberal movement" within Christianity "that seeks to reform the faith via the insights of post-modernism and a reclaiming of the truth beyond the verifiable historicity and factuality of the passages in the Bible by affirming the truths within the stories that may not have actually happened."[1] Progressive Christianity represents a post-modern theological approach, and is not necessarily synonymous with progressive politics.[1] It developed out of the Liberal Christianity of the modern era, which was rooted in enlightenment thinking.[1]
  

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Christianity
  

  But after reading that, I stand corrected. You seem like you are Liberal Christian:

  Liberal Christianity, also known as liberal theology, is a movement that seeks to interpret and reform Christian teaching by taking into consideration modern knowledge, science and ethics. It also emphasizes the authority of individual reason and experience. Liberal Christians view their theology as an alternative to both atheistic rationalism and to traditional theologies based on external authority (such as the Bible or sacred tradition).[1][2][3]
  

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Christianity
  

  Therefore, I would say that you are not a Fundamentalist Christian, but compared to them, your views are more liberal and would perhaps seem heretical to a Fundamentalist Christian of whom I was talking about in this thread.
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  Jesus Believed In Adam and Eve

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  i'm an ex-jw who actually faded from jws.

  i'm here to drop by every once in a while to ask a question or two.

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  Parker

  We tend happilly to obey humans, accept their weaknesses and injustice but when it comes to God we become very critical.
  

  What you're saying is categorically false, GodBeliever. And I don't know where you've been for the last 3 and a half years, but with so much dislike of the current administration of the United States of America and the large nationwide protests that have been going for the last few months, pretty much shows that your head is very much in a religious la-la land.
  
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  Jesus Believed In Adam and Eve

  by Parker in

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  i'm new to the forum.

  i'm an ex-jw who actually faded from jws.

  i'm here to drop by every once in a while to ask a question or two.

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  Parker

  I cannot make anyone believe that the Bible is true unless they agree . It s the only book where I can get all the anwers regarding our short existence. Most other books and philosophers only rise more questions regarding the matter.
  

  Well, I think you hit the nail on the head, GodBeliever. The Bible provides you the answers that a lot of humans are curious about. But there is such a dark side to the Bible that a lot of believers like you either don't know about or don't want to know about.
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  Jesus Believed In Adam and Eve

  by Parker in

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  i'm new to the forum.

  i'm an ex-jw who actually faded from jws.

  i'm here to drop by every once in a while to ask a question or two.

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  Parker

  GodBeliever, come on, there is no evidence that god exists is there?

  The presence of the cosmos has no tangible or provable connection with the God of the BIble has it? There is nothing in the Bible which demonstrates wisdom beyond its time -- which truly would have been a demonstration of divine power -- instead the Bible is misogynistic, homophobic, racist, vengeful, threatening and slavish but promising deliverence from God's enemies. It is merely human wisdom -- all too human.

  The Bible is a compilation of mainly fictional texts collected towards the end of the Roman Empire and officially declared sacred for the purpose of controlling the citizens.

  There is no evidence that even one spirit being exists and thank goodness too, as this means we can all be ourselves and we need not fear the nightmare scenario of alien forces dominating our existence. Instead we enjoy free will and we should use it for our own happiness and to help others experience this freedom.

  I chose to believe in God once as a young child, it was a bad choice. There was no evidence for me to believe in God and doing so led me to becoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses which put a heavy clamp on my mind and education.

  When the penny dropped, I realised from the Bible's description of his activities that god is entirely a human construct, it was a release from a tyranny.The ultimate exemplar of faith is found in the Bible with God's friend Abraham who was prepared to sacrifice his only son for God. This paradigm of faith is totally disgusting. The God of the Bible bathes in human blood! Who would want anything to do with such ugly inhuman notions of slavish obedience. Wake up! this was never right-- but we have moved on.

  Belief in God is a resignation from being responsible moral individuals. Giving up our freewill to the partisan sect which we have chosen as the most likely to have the best doctrines. God and sin only exist in the abstract to lead the gullible away from an honest and objective evaluation of our marvellous existence on planet earth.

  Thank you. Good post, Half banana.
  
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  i'm an ex-jw who actually faded from jws.

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  Parker

  If Jesus created the universe and the planet like JW believe he would have certainly known that two homo sapiens called "Adam and Eve" was likely a story. Even if he perhaps knew this was the case, he could probably not tell the truth about the real age of human race but only speak in parables, because they would have thought he was a charlatan or spoke halftruths or even that he was a blatant liar. He would have not destroyed the Jewish religion and brought more science to the world, but would have been stoned earlier.
  

  So, TheWonderofYou, Jesus had to lie so that the people of his time wouldn't think that he was a liar.
  
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  Parker

  There is so much evidence around us that God exists! You only need to open your eyes and you will see that everything was made by inteligent life.
  

  Actually, GodBeliever, I have a keen interest in animal life, including the less known and the more bizarre examples of animal life. And if anything, when you include everything other than just the butterflies and adorable kittens, etc., there's a savageness with many of the animal life forms. Things that you can't blame on the fall.
  
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  Parker

  100% Bible Literalism has a short History, from the late 19th Century to the present, started as an opposing view to the Textual Scholars who were by then showing more about what the Texts really said, and what the Writers meant.
  

  Phizzy, I recently came across this youtube video, and at the beginning of the video, it stated that the belief in divine creation existed among most western scientists prior to the mid 19th century prior to when Darwin's theory of evolution became popular.
  

  Theory of Evolution: How did Darwin come up with it? - BBC News
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  i'm an ex-jw who actually faded from jws.

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  Parker

  Did he "believe" in them though? (if he even existed - this is a trick theists play to have you arguing about the wrong thing, and just "accept" another bold claim with zero evidence)

  If I say "it's like the tortoise and the hare" does it mean I believe that a tortoise and a hare got together and had a running race? Or am I just referring to a story that people are familiar with?

  But, Simon, fundamentalist Christians and JWs don't look at it like that. They literally believe that Adam and Eve were real, historical people.
  
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  Jesus Believed In Adam and Eve

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  i'm an ex-jw who actually faded from jws.

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  Parker

  Yes, I was raised be old school parents and I not interested in any literature which was written after the late 40s early 50s when it was decided to change course and JW to become a religion.
  

  Well, GodBeliever, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So are you one of those who are know as the Bible Students?
  
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  i'm an ex-jw who actually faded from jws.

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  Parker

  Hi! my name is Adrian and I am also new to the forum. I do not want to offend anyone or argue. Just trying to present the other side of the story. I am a Jehovah witness but not associated with WT. I do believe in the Bible and I believe that Adam and Eve were real and they were made by God through science, same as humans create today artificial life. Jesus existed before Adam and Eve took part at their creation.

  As for the world creation JW never thaught that was done in six literal days. It was actually six days of 7000 years each. This was only for life creation.The age of earth and universe is not known. We are in the seventh day now which is made of 6000 years that have already past plus the judgement day mentioned in revelation which will last 1000 years. In this rest day God was inactive regarding earth and he delegated all responsibility to Jesus.

  Most people struggle with the facts presented in the bible, but I do struggle with the big bang and what it was before that. How from nothing and chaos resulted life with its complexity and with the genetic code which I believe is pure science that comes from intelligent life.

  So, GodBeliever, you say that you're a Jehovah's witness, but not associated with the WT. Hmmm. You could have fooled me.