i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?
also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.
well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?
quote by Carmichael
"You obvious didn't read anything I wrote.
That's why your video is funny and silly.
There's your rebuttal. You didn't give me the benefit of reading my own words."
So is that why I quoted you and then responded to you on page 4? ....You are a silly boy, Carmichael.
i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?
also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.
well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?
quote by Carmichael
"Parker,
Your video is weird. And funny.
The Jews didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah is because the historical Jesus of Nazareth was nothing like the Gospel Jesus and unlike the Jewish prophets and Moses.
According to the Gospel accounts, most of what Jesus does is in secret, such as his healings and when he raises the dead. He impresses heavily upon others not to tell the public that they know he is the Messiah. And when he is glorified in the Transfiguration he forbids the apostles to tell anyone of the event until he is dead.
According to the Gospel and the Book of Acts, when Jesus is resurrected he does not appear to everyone and anyone to prove he has risen. He appears only to select people, "by the witnesses God has chosen beforehand" claims Acts 10:41.
This Messiah sounds less like the God of the Jews who appeared on Mount Sinai before a nation or who worked wonders by the hands of prophets before believers and unbelievers, Jews and Gentiles, even enemy nations and armies--
--No, Jesus sounds more like Joseph Smith who secretly received golden plates with the Book of Mormon and visions of angels, things no one else ever saw. People had to take what Smith said he had in his possession and what he claimed to have heard from heaven on faith.
This is what Jesus of Nazareth was like. Jesus was all secret. Nobody saw anything. Nobody heard anything. Nobody could say anything. And after he rose, only select people, supposedly chosen by God saw him.
That sounds like the story of the golden plates of the Book of Mormon and the supposed select witnesses, chosen beforehand by God who claim to have seen them before the Angel Moroni supposed took them back from Smith after he finished translating them into English. Do you believe that story too?
The prophets of Israel and especially Moses are said to have performed signs before the nation as a whole. They did not do things in secret. Jesus did his things in secret. How could the Jews have "missed" Jesus as the Messiah? Easy. Jesus kept it a secret like Joseph Smith hid his secrets and then the Mormons started preaching that people had to believe Smith's revelations on faith like Jesus' story.
Jews can't miss a messiah that stayed hidden."
If you keep changing your post like that, Carmichael, you're going to give me whiplash.
But I guess my only reply is: Are those some sort of talking points for Reconstructionists Jews?
i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?
also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.
well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?
Plus, Carmichael, it would have been nice if you had a rebuttal to my video.
i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?
also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.
well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?
Also, I'm glad that you decided to stick around.
i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?
also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.
well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?
quote by Carmichael
Parker,
I'm glad you liked it, Carmichael.
i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?
also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.
well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?
quote by Giordano
Park this BS some where else........ it's all about how we treat one another.....not some stupid god who doesn't give a crap.
See the last paragraph of my previous post to Carmichael. However, if you disagree with that, how about we make a deal? You park your comments somewhere else besides my threads, and I won't park my comments in any of your threads.
i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?
also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.
well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?
quote by Carmichael
The Gospel texts were composed long after the time Jesus of Nazareth was supposed to have lived and supposed to have said the things. Both Paul and the writers of the Gospels believed in Messianic literalism: i.e., that the Messiah was a literal person who would bring the return of the David monarchy.
The first text to mention the Messiah as a person is post-Biblical, namely the Targums (where the phrase malka meshiḥa is first applied) and later elaborated in the Midrash. Take your time to do it, but you will never find any Hebrew text that prophesies about "the Messiah shall do" such and such. It just doesn't occur in the Hebrew Scriptures.
Thank you for your post, Carmichael. Also, I've posted on forums where there were Jewish members, therefore, I am already familiar with what you stated. But recently, I was brushing up on the reasons why Jews don't agree with Christian messianic interpretation of the Hebrew scriptures(Old Testament), and I inadvertently came across this video. It threw me for a loop, but I must admit, the first half of the video made me think twice about this whole issue of Jewish vs Christian interpretation of messianic Hebrew scriptures:
Why Jewish People Didn’t Recognize Jesus as the Messiah | Faithlife Today Episode 148
In the end, I am NOT at all trying to push you to learn one way over another. What I am trying to get you to do is see that you are engaging in a pointless exercise. The text you are examining is 3,000 years old. If you really want to know what it means, then you are going to have to get to the source. But to do that, you are going to have to abandon Christian interpretations.
Carmichael, you and perhaps others misunderstand my intent in posting topics such as these. I have lurked at this forum for a very long time before I finally decided to register and post on it. Also, when doing internet searches on a Biblical or Jehovah's Witness topic, a lot of time my search results would bring me to this forum. Therefore, in addition to asking questions at this forum in order for me to better understand a topic and to get helpful feedback on it, I also view this forum as a 'teaching' forum. And like myself, I believe there are other people on the internet who are searching for answers about the Bible and about Jehovah's Witnesses.
i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?
also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.
well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?
quote by wanton
P.S. if the defence of your position depends of that kind of fire power, it must be on shaky grounds.
The defense of my position? I'm only going by Watchtower and Biblical concepts. Not sure what you're getting at.
i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?
also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.
well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?
quote by waton
P: This was not a question of love, but of seduction, how to detect deception sprang upon
I don't understand what you are saying... That doesn't make sense.
Compare Adam to Jesus: The first Adam was a newly fashioned, innocent, uneducated immature youngster.
Jesus: after his baptism, a spirit directed being, with at least 14 billion years of creative, moral experience with the best tutoring available.
Now those are excellent points.
i was wondering about this question and wanted to ask: was sin inevitable?
also, i had thought about past watchtower articles or publications related to this topic and did some research and found this from our readers ask if adam was perfect, how was it possible for him to sin?.
well, then, did god create adam with a moral weakness, so that he lacked the ability to make sound decisions or to withstand temptation?
quote by Carmichael
The narrative is not considered history by Jews but a lesson. Unlike Jehovah's Witnesses that place the story in history and therefore raise a plethora of questions such as you raised, the story's original intention was to teach something about the Mosaic Law necessary for humans.
Interesting point, Carmichael. But it makes you wonder why Jesus seemed to refer to the Adam and Eve story as history, along with the Apostle Paul in some of his writings and who were both Jews. Also, you bring up a good point about how the Torah is not free from legalistic meaning, but I had been wondering about the notion of the legalistic aspect of Jesus' sacrifice with the whole concept of the first man Adam and the last Adam... even though among Christians it is viewed as grace. Although, that's a topic for another discussion.
Also, Carmichael, did you leave something out at the end of your post?
