Hoser, once again we have a 20/20 rear view of WTC’s overestimation of their worth. At Bethel, before they transitioned to the donation arrangement, they discussed online distribution of literature for free but key men said that they could not give it away free. When reminded that they “received free” they looked shocked, as if it was understood that they must be paid for the food they would distribute. That attitude has been their undoing. They still feel that the Pubs OWE them a living.
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All KH Bank accounts to close and all received contributions sent directly to the WT
by James Jack inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-c6yshtkqu.
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All KH Bank accounts to close and all received contributions sent directly to the WT
by James Jack inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-c6yshtkqu.
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Actually the accounts have become much simpler in recent years. The accounts servant could do it with half his brain tied behind his back. The Branch disallowed the investing of cong funds in 3rd party investments and took all the “extra” money that congs had except for a few months of expenses. This is a money grab, straight up and simple.
It should net the Branch about $3-4k per cong. As for doing the cong a favor by removing that burden, that is nonsense. Follow the money and the implications for a possible chapter 11 in the relatively near future. WTC is in dire straights financially.
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All KH Bank accounts to close and all received contributions sent directly to the WT
by James Jack inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-c6yshtkqu.
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There don't seem to be enough details at this time (probably intentional on WTC's part) as they may be testing the waters to see how much pushback they get. It stands to reason that they will implement since this was initially leaked pre-pandemic but not implemented (as I recall).
There are a few scenarios as to how they might transfer funds received from the cong:
1. The accounts servants takes the funds to a bank and gets a certified check which then gets mailed or possibly direct deposited using a mobile app similar to how checks are now deposited remotely using a mobile app. Take a pic, put in the amount and hit send. This would not work with a personal account since the naive publisher would get audited and even accused of money-laundering. Banks are on the lookout for these types of money transfers. I knew a low IQ accounts servant who did just that and he experienced much pain as result.
2. WTC sets up an account at a bank local to each congregation and the Accounts servant deposits the check and cash directly into the WTC account.This is unlikely and problematic.
3. WTC stops accepting cash and checks at the KH altogether. Pubs must make donations online. Hmm...sounds like this is a already a problem as pubs are not donating online enough as it is. So, unlikely to happen.
There may be other options but I can't think of any at the moment. I welcome your creative solutions to WTC's self-created dilemma.
Meanwhile, Here are some likely consequences for the radical change in the money-grabbing plan:
1. BOE's realize that WTC is not going to pay for toilet paper, cleaning supplies and other costly incidentals that add up over time. They suspect that WTC will be too tight-fisted to even pay the electric and water bill so they begin to stop donating altogether. The cash dries up. CO's berate the cong to no avail. WTC sells the KH due to lack of donations and the Pubs are forced to travel to another KH until those congs also wise up and stop donating. The selloff accelerates and WTC declares chapter 11. Disentegration follows rapidly and millions are freed. Unlikely but I thought it was a possibility so I listed it.
2. Watchtower gets investigated for operating as a bank and criminal prosecutions follow. Many cry persecution but disentegration follows and millions are freed. Ulikely also but worth considering.
3. Congs do their darn best to follow the onerous yoke WTC places on them but it unravels as WTC fails to pay the utilities, Pubs get stuck with incidental purchases and bitterness grows. WTC lays off the majority of it's "paid" (stipend) workforce and attendance plummets. Donations plummet. The ex-JW community grows. WTC closes the doors and key men relocate to Argentina as KHs get sold off. This is the most likely scenario but it could play out over years, so slowly that many are unaware that they are ending. If you have watched paint dry, it takes time.
4. WTC uses this as a pilot program and decides that it just won't work. They scrap the plan altogether and wratchet up the pressure on the Pubs to give more of their money. They readjust teachings like the sheep and goats understanding to make Pubs believe that they are being judged now for their actions. (Oh wait, they already did that - nevermind). Depression among Pubs grows and more leave for greener pastures. WTC experinces more shrinkage than George Costanza in an ice bath. Eventually they become a marginal reference in "Religions that Used To Be". The GB have themselves cryogenically frozen but court orders are issued for them to be thawed and the funds are liquidated to lawyers who form a class action against the Corporation(s). This is a dream scenario and probably likely except for the cryogenic part that I threw in for fun.
5. Pubs band together, surround Warwick, breach the fence and occupy the complex until police intervene. The GB are eventually lead away in handcuffs and millions are freed. Well,I can dream can't I?
Think you can do better? Take a crack at it. Just remember that WTC has more lives than Thomasina. Just when you think they are cornered, they pull a 6 ft Harvey out of their pocket and start another chapter of misery. Trust me, I have been in the room...
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Quick builds
by moley inwhat was the standard of quick builds.
did they cut corners, ignore building regulations, were they unsafe .
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The quality often depended on the RBC for the region. Some were known for building quality and others not so much. The local cong support also helped or hindered depending on the maturity/responsiveness of the local BOE. All things considered, most passed inspection because inspectors were amazed that so much could get done in such a short time by so many unskilled workers. They allowed some to move forward when they probably should have been stopped and corrected. Doors that swung the wrong way, HVAC that did not provide adequate airflow through the building, electrical that was insufficient for the practical needs of the building, parking lots that did not drain properly, crooked walls and more.
However, most have bee remodeled and many sold. The idea was to get them done quickly to free the local cong for preaching instead of building, but they turned into PR endeavors and the problems grew exponentially. Many Brothers who were used extensively were discarded when they were unable to have high field service hours AND be at builds every other weekend.Some spent so much time away from their families that their marriages and children suffered from spiritual neglect. The fallout can still be seen now many years later.
Present day, WTC is in the selling mode, not the building mode. They can barely get the rank n' file to attend so why build more?
In retrospect, they were exciting and a trainwreck all at the same time.
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Interesting comment regarding in person meeting attendance.
by joe134cd ininteresting remark i overheard today.
the physical attendance for the sunday meeting, in my local area, was 10. i tried to find out those on zoom.
i was told that the zoom attendees wasn’t mentioned.
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I am truly amazed that any still attend after all the financial misbehavior of the org over the past 30 years, the CSA cover-up, the wild reversal of doctrinal teachings, the sell-off of KH's, the revealed facts about prominent leaders going all the way back to Russell, and the ongoing expansion of shunning. Just wow!
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New Light, New Light!
by BoogerMan inmore accurately known as a reversal of a long held 'truth.'.
september 2022 study watchtower - par.
14 p. 18 - "in the past, we understood jesus’ words to refer to the deeds the resurrected ones will practice after their resurrection; that is, some will come to life and practice good things while others will come to life and practice vile things.
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Watchtower strikes again amazing the crowds with 180 degree turns!
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Michael Jackson Jehovah's Witness Thriller
by researcher1010 ini'm a reporter working on a series about michael jackson.
part of this series will look at his life as a jehovah's witness and his relationship to the faith.
i've already spoken to a few ex-witnesses and one elder who have explained jw 101 beliefs and teachings.
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In the past few years, children who had "sleep overs" with Michael have recanted their earlier testimony and now say that he "molested" them. When local elders met with Michael regarding his unusual lifestyle, they certainly would have addressed the smoke billowing off him as a potential pedophile. The WTC database of molesters includes Michael as these elders would have contacted the Legal dept. for direction due to his notoriety and contribution status. Add this to the list of reasons why WTC will not release the database unredacted to the police.
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Rosemont Cemetery II
by RolRod inokay, so here's a follow-up to my post a while back regarding the society tearing down the pyramid monument.
they cleared the area and this is what they did.
notice ... nothing about the watchtower connected to it, just slabs of cheap concrete..
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This should serve as a lesson to current B'lites who mistakenly think that they will have WTC's approval and love even after they are pushing up daisies in the local cemetary, WTC has NO LOYALTY TO ANYONE - YOU INCLUDED!
WTC has tossed CT Russell and Rutherforn under the bus as they try to distance themselves from the absurdities these men fostered. Knorr is next and eventually Franz due to their very questionable personal lives and beliefs.
Are you over 62 and still at Bethel? Maybe in the retirement home in Fishkill? They will throw you away like a soiled knapkin as soon as they are able. Don't believe me? Here on the outside we know some who never thought they would be kicked to the curb. Oh, you have not kept up with them? Get ready for a dose of Watchtower reality because it will come. Not IF - Just when.
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Helpful Video with Fact Citations
by Smiles inthis video may be helpful to someone you know inside or exiting wt captivity.. the video is one long hour, but it unpacks damning fact-checked citations along with some dredged audio clips of gb bs, such as fred franz publicly doubling down on 1975, and sam herd publicly degrading women.. the content will be familiar to most of us here, but it could be a 'narcan' antidote to help awaken someone from the jw poison overdose.
millstone research video:.
https://youtu.be/7fpdk0jnnoy.
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WTC is working over-time to erase their past, but occasionally they stir up curiosity by their own arrogance. Jackson can't keep from tripping over himself as he attempts to undo what he has done. What a fiasco.
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So now it's for ALL dedicated servants of the Most High and Jesus Christ? For decades WTC claimed that the entire Christian Greek scriptures were written exclusively for the anointed with limited benefit for the great crowders. If they could make up their minds, that would be a start...