Posts by ThomasMore

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Why disfellowship must be eliminated for the survival of the WT itself

by TheScientist in

this topic i digress about why the watchtower relaxing the rules of disfellowship is essential for its survival.

many things i'm going to say are not my ideas, some are, the point is, i'm condensing everything in a logical and concise way.. the first thing we have to keep in mind is that the wt's main objective in instituting disfellowship has always been not to lose members because of the damage that a dissident could do, or to avoid gaining new members because of the bad reputation of a confessed sinner in the his/her region.

in the end, the more active members, the more money to the coffers.. in this case of disfellowship due to apostasy, to avoid any spark, texts were sought out of context that even prohibited saying "hi".

ThomasMore

“Current needs” is operational needs for cash for CSA settlements and paying the bills.

WTC has yet to pay their share (or any share) of the restitution called for by the Australia Royal Commission’s for victims of child abuse. They have prioritized where the cash on hand will go and it isn’t the “scheme” designed for children who were victimized by members of the faith. Speculation is that they will make it impossible for the government to glean their assets so at present they can thumb their nose at them without concern. They drive over the cliff in Aussieland before they get pulled over.

Meanwhile, WTC is selling off assets in foreign lands and sending the proceeds back to Headquarters in the USA. This has the attention of those governments who take a dim view of draining assets from their citizenry. The consequences for doing this are severe yet WTC put financial mechanisms in place JUST for this purpose. No one in their right mind would do something so reckless unless they were desperate.

We could go on and on but logic tells us that they are hurting financially and are cutting corners with no hesitation to prevent a financial crash. This will not end well for them.

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Pyramid shaped table

by MissDaSilva in

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ThomasMore

I haven’t seen evidence in proper context that any at WTC support Free Masonry. Until they get direction from the Plliades where the Creator resides, I doubt that they will. 😎

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Another kingdom hall up for sale

by pepperheart in

hi another kingsom hall is up for sale if you look in the rightmove property website and look for bradford in the uk you will see that its priced at £170,000.. but why should they need to be selling a kingdom hall off espically when they are not printing about 50 million magazines a month they vant be that short of money can they ?

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ThomasMore

I had a conversation with someone who knew the sequence of that colossal misinformation when they announced that more KHs were needed, then put all construction on hold and began selling off in earnest.

Within Bethel, the left hand did not know what the right was doing. Construction had not received the message that attendance was down and donations even worse. Of course no public explanation was ever provided but it caused a lot of anger inside God’s House.

It leads me to think that Treasury is not allowed to communicate as they should be. This is probably due to all the CSA settlements which have reeked havoc on cash flow.

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the slaves might be revolting

by pepperheart2 in

on the watchtower website it says that most of the work that will be done fishkill will be out sourced to non jws .i thought that jws always used to build everything them selves.

this might explain what happend to ramapo they put an appeal out for free labour and people said no .

ThomasMore

The new facility in Argentina was built by commercial non-JW contractors. I might add that the intended use has not been clearly communicated.

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The GB's New Year's Resolutions

by NotFormer in

towards the end of this year, they managed to shock many on here and elsewhere with new resolutions, like publishers no longer having to record hours and now allowing men to grow beards without having to face judgement or judgemental behaviour.

but, as pointed out by a few, these amount to being not much more than cosmetic changes, one in administrative paperwork and the other in personal grooming habits.

the other major change announced in the leaked agm video is the possibility of being saved at the last minute.

ThomasMore

A softened judicial trigger and process. WTC is losing many to questionable disfellowshippings. I don’t think they will stop DFing but the bar needs to be a lot higher to trigger a JC and more blatant behavior to result in expulsion.

It is possible that the provision for written Disassociation might be discarded as well. But this is in the stratosphere.

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Why disfellowship must be eliminated for the survival of the WT itself

by TheScientist in

this topic i digress about why the watchtower relaxing the rules of disfellowship is essential for its survival.

many things i'm going to say are not my ideas, some are, the point is, i'm condensing everything in a logical and concise way.. the first thing we have to keep in mind is that the wt's main objective in instituting disfellowship has always been not to lose members because of the damage that a dissident could do, or to avoid gaining new members because of the bad reputation of a confessed sinner in the his/her region.

in the end, the more active members, the more money to the coffers.. in this case of disfellowship due to apostasy, to avoid any spark, texts were sought out of context that even prohibited saying "hi".

ThomasMore

JWs are indeed in steep decline. In the 80’s and 90’s, the KHs were bursting and new ones were being built at breakneck pace.

Now WTC is selling KHs as quickly as the Org and the market will bear. The appraisals that occurred a few years ago laid the groundwork for more selling, and collateralizing the rest for much needed cash.

As intra-meeting photos indicate, attendance is DISMAL. The ones on ZOOM are not engaged as testified in many social media posts. ZOOM attendance is usually a precursor to fading.

Recent changes are also indicative of decline as the GB is softening requirements as an effort to retain publishers.

As Vidiot commented, WTC is known to lie blatantly. They have no shame. At a grass roots level, Secretaries are taking liberties to continue counting pubs as pubs. The future of their KH depends on the numbers.

Lets be honest: Watchtower is not selling KHs because the numbers are flat. They are selling because the numbers are declining. Now there is talk of the CO arrangement changing to local elders with no stipend. Does anyone actually think what is happening in the Org indicates strength?? If so, I have Sears stock you might be interested in.

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John 13:35 Mistranslated?

by KerryKing in

disclaimer!

i am not a bible translator not do i speak ancient greek or hebrew.. john 13: 35 nwt : 'by this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves '.. (curiously, this verse is not listed in the nwt index under the word 'disciples'.).

the biblehub interlinear reads : ' by this will know all that to me disciples you are if love you have among yourselves '.. could it actually mean, contrary to all bible translations, that it is jesus himself, and not people in general, who identifies his disciples because they show love among each other?.

ThomasMore

Elderberry - that be the case in some locales but it is not the rule throughout the world, as I can personally testify. Sadly many so-called Christian denominations are also not welcoming.

In JWland, love-bombing is often very conditional and insincere. There are also exceptions but in general, JWs are devouring each other with criticism and contentions, not to mention unethical business dealing.

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Next change?

by JW_Rogue in

so, first the turning in time got axed, now beards are okay, what is up next?

women wearing dress slacks to the meeting?

birthdays becoming acceptable?

ThomasMore

I predict a softening of the Judicial Process. They have reached China Syndrome with disfellowshippings and harsh discipline and it has affected their numbers. Despite all the beatings, the numbers have inexplicably dropped!!! (Dripping sarcasm)

They are likely going to raise the bar for justifying a judicial committee and make it more difficult for over-zealous elders to vent their anger on the ones they harbor grudges against.

This won’t save the religion, but it will free up Saturday nights for many who have “transgressed”.

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The Governing Body - Both sides of their coin

by Ron.W. in

how many can you think of.... they speak for god.. it would seem presumptuous to say they speak for god,.

they are neither inspired nor infallible.. they are god's only channel for issuing truth here on earth.

they won't be apologising for any errors/falsehoods they have promoted in the past that fail.. congregation members must be quick and apologise for their errors to avoid harsh discipline/disfellowshipping.. when they change a major belief/doctrine you must not complain or criticise them.

ThomasMore

Rom W. - Perfect synopsis of their duplicity!!!! I will use this as my own,

Sincerely,

Claudine Gay

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The Governing Body - Both sides of their coin

by Ron.W. in

how many can you think of.... they speak for god.. it would seem presumptuous to say they speak for god,.

they are neither inspired nor infallible.. they are god's only channel for issuing truth here on earth.

they won't be apologising for any errors/falsehoods they have promoted in the past that fail.. congregation members must be quick and apologise for their errors to avoid harsh discipline/disfellowshipping.. when they change a major belief/doctrine you must not complain or criticise them.

ThomasMore

I must be getting soft because lately I am feeling sad for JWs (EXCEPT for the GB and their helpers and Legal and Public Relations and Service Dept and Treasury and IT and Teaching and Writing and Kitchen staff).

Why do I not feel sorry for Kitchen staff? If you ate at Bethel every day for years and years, you know why.

But I am feeling sorry for all the rest because they are trapped, 100% dependent on the org to provide for them - materially or spiritually - neither of which is substantive. Imagine how desperate being in a situation like that feels.

I was in their situation and when it really hit me that I was trapped, I LEFT. It was hard, but I am free now - FREE!

This morning I had a toasted bagel with cream cheese and marmalade jelly for breakfast and realized how good life can really be !!!!!!!!!