Posts by ThomasMore

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New light on shunning?

by Mikejw in

one theory why tony was booted out was because he was a stickler for not changing the shunning doctrine.

he actually said the words we will never ever change it.. they are slowly deleting all of tony’s videos and now losing court cases and losing government hand outs in places like norway.. it’s looking very likely they will release new light on shunning policy after losing this latest one in norway.. .

what are the odds they coincidentally get new light from jehovah and lighten up their shunning policy ?.

ThomasMore

Vidiot and Notformer - WTC can't move fast enough to counter the exodus of young JWs. They can't affords to move slowly - seriously.

I liken it to a Pizza parlor manager yelling at disgusted customers as they run away:

"Don't over-react - it's just a rat! We are offering 2 slices for 1. I'm adding WIFI too and emptying the garbage! Did you hear me? The toilets are being un-stopped and new rat traps are on the way! I bought deodorant and new underwear - and gloves - and washing hands after the bathroom is suggested for all waiters and kitchen staff! Hey, did you hear me??!!

Based on all the bad PR from Europe, Australia, New Zealand and other places where decent people still have moral compasses, I think they waited too long to stop flipping the bird to publishers.

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Will recent dress-code changes affect the WTS negatively?

by Wonderment in

in a span of a few months time, we have had many unexpected changes announced by the jw organization.

some here have expressed the belief that a great number of witnesses will leave the religion.

in fact, there is a great probability the opposite will be true.. yeah, ancient hardliners will have a hard time assimilating these changes, but the younger generation will likely welcome these changes.

ThomasMore

A cable company offered me a month free if I subscribed to their more expensive, poor service.

Are JWs naive enough to believe that young JWs will return or opt to stay because the standard of dress is now less formal??????

WTC fails to understand that people are leaving in droves because the religion is high control. The teachings do not satisfy the appetites of spiritually hungry people. How hard is that to understand?

What they really need is a free t-shirt - or a duffel bag even.....

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consequences for going against the direction.

by jehovaxx in

there are no serious consequences for doubting the gb.

there are no consequences for going against the direction.

we can now celebrate anything.. what will happen if you take blood, celebrate xmas and birthdays ect?.

ThomasMore

I resigned and left on my own - never went back. I was shunned as soon as I resigned. Like many others, my life is now much better so why would I EVER consider going back??!!

Shunning has been a gift to me since I no longer have to deal with the toxicity of JWs. I have been out long enough to see WTC and JWs for what they really are. Have you?

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Will New Rules Bring JWs Together or Pull Them Apart?

by doinmypart in

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there's been a lot of discussion about the changes in the org.

you might think all this would shake things up, especially for the older or super dedicated jws.

but remember when gb decided all the khs and the bank accounts needed to be transferred/managed from the top?

ThomasMore

A friend who is Methodist told me their church does something similar to DFing but calls it unassociating a person or something to that effect. It has to be something pretty serious and is VERY rare to see it invoked. When it is, a person can get right back in if they stop what they were doing and seek appropriate help to change. The rest of the members do not stop talking to the person, they simply curtail some social engagement, and even that is left to the decision of each individual.

When this step has been taken, they say almost all of the disciplined persons change and come immediately back.

I think this is where WTC wants to be. They care little about actual purity and consider it highly subjective anyway. Those in the know tell me that WTC is under tremendous pressure to change and to stem the tide of leavers and fresh crops of apostates planted with their harsh policies. They also cannot continue funding the enormous expense of defending cases against them.

I have not heard some of the wild talk Redsetter2 wrote about, but I am aware that celebrating birthdays will be acceptable by October this year. Thats about it. Some guidelines will apply.

So far, all these changes don’t represent much. Most are simply a move toward informalizing the cult to make it easier to be in. In so doing, WTC is opening a Pandoras box as JWs are already beginning to devour one another with criticism.

If you don’t actually have the truth, everything you say and do will be stained with what is false and confused.

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The Vaccine mandate has been lifted, with no explanation or apologies

by redsetter2 in

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ThomasMore

At least the GB are honest enough to say that no apology is necessary (translated: "We will not be apologizing").

If they ever apologized, I would be so confused at the 180 degree change that I might start walking in circles. I depend on the consistency of their arrogance and they NEVER let me down.

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Former Kingdom Hall is now a Swaminarayan Temple!

by Atlantis in

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this former kingdom hall is now a hindu swaminarayan temple!

to the far right of the picture, the two tower pillars are obvious by the red and green flags.

https://pdfupload.io/docs/d8e6115a .

ThomasMore

The Hindus have colorful robes that make them look like they are having a special gathering even when they are just doing their daily thing. They seem to be nice folks - maybe they can put the old building to better use than the JW's did.

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ARTICLE: Jehovah’s Witnesses investing more than $50M on Woodbury project

by AndersonsInfo in

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https://libn.com/2024/03/04/jehovahs-witnesses-investing-more-than-50m-on-woodbury-project/.

long island business news.

march 4, 2024. the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses, which bought the former geico property in woodbury for $27 million in dec. 2022, plans to spend at least another $23 million to build an assembly hall and two support buildings on about half of the site.

ThomasMore

DOC - they actually do have corporate bylaws that state that they will retire some special full-time servants at the corporations' expense. This primarily applies to Bethelites with XX years of seniority and age. In recent years though, they have sent many "back to the field" just before they reached full retirement age. Cruel? Yes.

However, the facility in Fishkill for retirees is full per the last report I heard. Space only gets freed up upon someone's death. I was told they needed more space for older B'lites who were getting too old to work, past the age of being sent out.

For the retirement facilities, they need a doctor and nurses. You might recall the letter that went out several years ago for nurses. They had to be willing to stay indefinitely. When they consolidate facilities, the number of caregivers decreases proportionately, so I suspect consolidation is a high priority to cut expenses.

I recently learned that they are being challenged at the Fishkill facility for some kind of registration issue. They are in need of a larger facility that meets city/county/state requirements. That is all I know.

Atlantis - do you recall the leter to all BOE's asking for nurses? It may have been 4 years ago?

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Elder abuser in Sunshine Coast down under (?)

by carla in

not sure if this has been posted or not, apologies if it has.

i did a quick search and did not see it.

https://archive.md/5zcdi -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure accused of horrific sex crimes has been remanded in jail for fresh offences which allegedly occurred the same day he attended court.. and https://archive.md/r2o6x -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure who allegedly used his position in the church to sexually assault young men has been arrested by police.

ThomasMore

In what universe could JWs ever consider a man like that to be no threat to the general population?

Yet they withhold information that could shed light on prosecutorial efforts!

WTC is reprehensible and needs to be held accountable by AG’s who prosecute these types of crimes.

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The Jehovah's Witness religion has ''Jumped the Shark''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

what does jump the shark mean?.

the phrase “jump the shark” is a term in pop culture that originated from the tv show “happy days” and is used to describe a decline in quality.

it refers to the moment when a tv show or other product has reached its peak and starts to decline in quality.

ThomasMore

Some countries in Europe (and not just the EU) actually do care about destructive influences to the family arrangement. When Norway heard complaints and investigated JWs, they naturally responded with indignation that the religion was creating dysfunctional families while being funded by tax money.

I expect this to happen elsewhere moving forward with WTC fighting tooth n’ nail to reverse the trend. A grass roots movement in Brazil is getting traction now. How will WTC react? The same way.

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ARTICLE: Jehovah’s Witnesses investing more than $50M on Woodbury project

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

https://libn.com/2024/03/04/jehovahs-witnesses-investing-more-than-50m-on-woodbury-project/.

long island business news.

march 4, 2024. the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses, which bought the former geico property in woodbury for $27 million in dec. 2022, plans to spend at least another $23 million to build an assembly hall and two support buildings on about half of the site.

ThomasMore

DOC - I thought the same thing. This seems like a poorly thought out expansion - OR - there is more to this than they have shared.

I can see NO GOOD REASON for purchasing this property other than consolidating nursing facilities for retirees.