Posts by anointed1

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devil question

by Carol1111 in

i had a discussion with 4 jws today and they told me that jesus could not be tempted, ( they say that he would not be perfect if he could) but also they told me that satan tempted jesus in the wilderness.. can anyone clarify their beliefs please.

i like to give them a reasoned argument when i talk to them, but have never noticed this conflict of ideas before..

anointed1

1) Temptation account is not real. If real, it would mean that Satan and Jesus believed that shape of earth is flat so that both can see "all the kingdoms of the earth" if viewed from the mountain top.

2) Genesis account of Satan is borrowed from pagans, hence not worthy of analysis. Even if it is original, details does not befit the kind of satan he should be. If Satan is so smart as to scheme against God and his children, he would definitely choose some smart method, not a sub-standard temptation as in this case. It is too obvious that Adam and Eve who had already experienced God as their unlimited benefactor would never believe God as withholding something good from them, nor He is a liar, especially when such a malicious suggestion originated from a stranger—with a strange phenomenon—a snake with speaking ability! Also Satan contradicted only the effects of their disobedience, which of course further weakens his position, because prima facie, it is the Law-giver that knows the effects of disobedience, not the spectators who have never seen a violation before.

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What is "The Truth" which the Jehovah's Witnesses are really missing ?

by Finkelstein in

i personally think the truth which the jws are missing all together is that the wts has devised and constructed a doctrinal gospel (1914) specifically to assist toward the proliferation of the literature of which this organization publishes itself.

they allure people with them then exploit these ones further in the distribution of those pieces of literature all while stamping the information as bible truths.

i see jws as well controlled robotic sales representatives for this unscrupulous religious publishing house.

anointed1

They take all the verses of the Bible as literally inspired by God whereas the truth is that some of the verses may be inspired

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Bible supports evolution

by anointed1 in

the thread that runs through the details of bible is evolution.. .

1) a nation believes that they are god’s chosen people and rest of the world is pagan.

when the history unfolds, the so-called chosen people go under occupation by the so-called pagans.

anointed1

The thread that runs through the details of Bible is evolution.

1) A nation believes that they are God’s chosen people and rest of the world is pagan. When the history unfolds, the so-called chosen people go under occupation by the so-called pagans. From this theological crisis, a new theology of a messiah (who would restore everything) is evolved.

2) When the Messiah did arrive, no restoration took place; rather Messiah himself was murdered. From this evolved another teaching that it was God’s will that Messiah should be murdered by sinners so that sinners can seek forgiveness on the basis of such a death.

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If Abraham had gone to Kingdom of Heaven, why not John the Baptist?

by anointed1 in

jesus rated john the baptist as the greatest “among those born of women” (luke 7:28) hence after his death he should naturally go to heaven—especially so lesser ones like enoch, abraham are already in the kingdom of heaven.

(hebrews 11: 5, 6; 13-16).

in view of the direct statement of jesus: “i say to you that many will come from the east and the west to share the banquet with abraham, isaac, and jacob in the kingdom of heaven” (mathew 8:11), people like abraham are definitely in heaven.

anointed1

Half banana

That is true. When two time Jews' temple was destroyed, all their scrolls were also destroyed forcing them later to make their own story.

It is interesting to see the evolution of theology. When their temple was destroyed along with the political establishment, they developed the theology of a redeemer. When the so-called redeemer came, he was also put to death. From this theological crisis arose the teaching that Messiah had to die a sacrificial death before he could restore the Kingdom.

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If Abraham had gone to Kingdom of Heaven, why not John the Baptist?

by anointed1 in

jesus rated john the baptist as the greatest “among those born of women” (luke 7:28) hence after his death he should naturally go to heaven—especially so lesser ones like enoch, abraham are already in the kingdom of heaven.

(hebrews 11: 5, 6; 13-16).

in view of the direct statement of jesus: “i say to you that many will come from the east and the west to share the banquet with abraham, isaac, and jacob in the kingdom of heaven” (mathew 8:11), people like abraham are definitely in heaven.

anointed1

Half banana

oK, Even when it is myth-linked, things tie in well with the fact that OT people also were going to heaven. The teaching that heavenly hope started with Jesus has no basis.

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What is life?

by punkofnice in

when i was a jobo, i used to thing of 'life without end at laaaasssssst'.. having been on my journey out of the wbt$ slaveholdery, i have found that something that makes sense is that life doesn't owe us a meaning.

psalms 146:4 was actually bangeth on the money-eth 'his breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.'.

although i am now very atheist, and really do not even think there is the remotest possibility of a god, that bible passage is correct.

anointed1

punkofnice

It is true that some choose to be bullies. For example, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor—that was their choice, but they could not have chosen its results which were in the hands of US, and US made them reap the consequences, and Japan learned the lesson, and stopped attacking other nations altogether. This is how the play goes. Suppose Japan did not learn the lesson! They will be forced to learn the lesson by some other means sooner or later. It may be same with individuals also.

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Scriptures which link Yahweh to the Canaanite god El.

by evilApostate in

today, i want to share some scriptures i have come across in my research which show the link between yahweh and the canaanite god el.

el and other variations such as elyon, el shaddai and elohim appear many times in the bible.

these are usually translated as god, most high, god almighty and so on.

anointed1

This explains why Jesus was using terms such as Father, God, but not Yahweh or Jehovah

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What is life?

by punkofnice in

when i was a jobo, i used to thing of 'life without end at laaaasssssst'.. having been on my journey out of the wbt$ slaveholdery, i have found that something that makes sense is that life doesn't owe us a meaning.

psalms 146:4 was actually bangeth on the money-eth 'his breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.'.

although i am now very atheist, and really do not even think there is the remotest possibility of a god, that bible passage is correct.

anointed1

Interestingly, the writer of Hebrews had a clear understanding of life and what happens after life. For him it was like children coming out from their house on to play-ground, and returning to house from where they came. (Hebrew 11:13-16) Such a simple view of life was clouded by complicated teaching of grace or undeserved kindness through faith in the sacrificial death of Jesus (which is again meaningless as it is linked to some ancient myth borrowed from other cultures).

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If Abraham had gone to Kingdom of Heaven, why not John the Baptist?

by anointed1 in

jesus rated john the baptist as the greatest “among those born of women” (luke 7:28) hence after his death he should naturally go to heaven—especially so lesser ones like enoch, abraham are already in the kingdom of heaven.

(hebrews 11: 5, 6; 13-16).

in view of the direct statement of jesus: “i say to you that many will come from the east and the west to share the banquet with abraham, isaac, and jacob in the kingdom of heaven” (mathew 8:11), people like abraham are definitely in heaven.

anointed1

Jesus rated John the Baptist as the greatest “among those born of women” (Luke 7:28) hence after his death he should naturally go to heaven—especially so lesser ones like Enoch, Abraham are already in the Kingdom of Heaven. (Hebrews 11: 5, 6; 13-16)

In view of the direct statement of Jesus: “I say to you that many will come from the east and the west to share the banquet with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven” (Mathew 8:11), people like Abraham are definitely in heaven. Hence it is obvious that ‘the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than John’ must be a later adoption to project Jesus as the first-fruit (which is again meaningless as Jesus was already from heaven, and was only to return to heaven)

The verse in Luke 7:28: “I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he” is like Nobel Prize committee saying: “We tell you, among all those living on earth there is no one who has contributed to world-peace as much like Juan Manuel Santos; yet there is no Nobel Prize for Peace for him this year or in any years to come.” Latter part of the sentence makes no sense.

Interestingly, the writer of Hebrews had a clear understanding of life and what happens after life. For him it was like children coming out from their house on to play-ground, and returning to house from where they came. (Hebrew 11:13-16) Such a simple view of life was clouded by complicated teaching of grace or undeserved kindness through faith in the sacrificial death of Jesus (which is again meaningless as it is linked to some ancient myth borrowed from other cultures).

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What is life?

by punkofnice in

when i was a jobo, i used to thing of 'life without end at laaaasssssst'.. having been on my journey out of the wbt$ slaveholdery, i have found that something that makes sense is that life doesn't owe us a meaning.

psalms 146:4 was actually bangeth on the money-eth 'his breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.'.

although i am now very atheist, and really do not even think there is the remotest possibility of a god, that bible passage is correct.

anointed1

punkofnice

We can find answer through the fact of death.

“It is IMPOSSIBLE that anything so natural, so necessary, and so universal as death, should ever have been designed by providence as an evil to mankind.” (Jonathan Swift, English satirist) “Let death be daily before your eyes, and you will never entertain any abject thought, nor too eagerly covet anything.” (Epictetus, Greek philosopher) Socrates had absolute clarity on this subject, hence described death as “the greatest of all human blessings” and “the greatest good that can happen” to us because it prevents one’s feeling of self-importance from growing eternally.

Thus humans have something as universal as death, and also the too vast size of universe itself [in which our earth itself would look smaller than a tiny dot making humans feel too insignificant] that can help an individual not to develop self-importance which makes life a hell for himself and others! Now try going egoless—it would make life a heaven for yourself and those around you.