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Morality Without Deity

by cofty in

one of the most persistent arguments for belief in god centres on the necessity of an ultimate law-giver and epitome of goodness.. a softer version is seen in the genuine concern that a loss of faith will result in a corresponding loss of a moral compass - a more strident argument links the existence of good and evil with proof of the reality of god.

it is often asserted that without god, moral decisions degenerate to nothing more than personal preferences and the victory of "might is right".. i want to succinctly lay out my response as an atheist, and show that a supreme being is not required for objective morality.. it is helpful to distinguish between absolute morality, objective morality and subjective morality.

christian apologists frequently conflate the first two, and secular debaters often fail to point out the difference.. theists who disagree on everything else, are unanimous that god is perfectly good.

anointed1

“whether the gods love the pious because it is the pious, or whether the pious is pious only because it is loved by the gods”

Actually, there is no dilemma:

God cannot love the pious because they are pious because this would mean He loves only those of His sort which in itself is evil.

The pious and the impious attract appropriate rewards in such a way that the pious would feel inspired to continue his pious acts and the impious would feel pressurized to discontinue his impious acts.

Thus both the pious and the impious are loved by God.

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Morality Without Deity

by cofty in

one of the most persistent arguments for belief in god centres on the necessity of an ultimate law-giver and epitome of goodness.. a softer version is seen in the genuine concern that a loss of faith will result in a corresponding loss of a moral compass - a more strident argument links the existence of good and evil with proof of the reality of god.

it is often asserted that without god, moral decisions degenerate to nothing more than personal preferences and the victory of "might is right".. i want to succinctly lay out my response as an atheist, and show that a supreme being is not required for objective morality.. it is helpful to distinguish between absolute morality, objective morality and subjective morality.

christian apologists frequently conflate the first two, and secular debaters often fail to point out the difference.. theists who disagree on everything else, are unanimous that god is perfectly good.

anointed1

What Simon said is true. Humans painted a God which suits their purpose. After ordering the ‘annihilation of all the inhabitants’ of the city God is shown as saying: “All the silver and gold, as well as bronze and iron items, belong to the Lord. They must go into the Lord’s treasury.” (Joshua 6:19)

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God wants to remain unidentified

by anointed1 in

1) books supposedly written by god contain errors.

2) people supposedly appointed by god make human rights violations.

and god does not prevent those things from happening.

anointed1

Yes Heaven

I agree with you, and I go into silence from now onward

Goodbye

Take care

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God wants to remain unidentified

by anointed1 in

1) books supposedly written by god contain errors.

2) people supposedly appointed by god make human rights violations.

and god does not prevent those things from happening.

anointed1

LoveUniHateExams,

I take only what is beneficial, and I do not know why such carnivorous being exists

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God wants to remain unidentified

by anointed1 in

1) books supposedly written by god contain errors.

2) people supposedly appointed by god make human rights violations.

and god does not prevent those things from happening.

anointed1

DJS,

In fact, this post "God wants to remain unidentified" I had kept as my last post. I have nothing else to share. Whatever I have shared is the best of me, and is from just from me, from one computer.

Take care

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God wants to remain unidentified

by anointed1 in

1) books supposedly written by god contain errors.

2) people supposedly appointed by god make human rights violations.

and god does not prevent those things from happening.

anointed1

LoveUniHateExams

Here are some points to ponder about

1)Jesus was quoting scriptures that never existed:

Let the one who believes in me drink. As the scripture has said, ‘Out of the believer's heart shall flow rivers of living water’” (John 7:38). In the Hebrew Scriptures, living water comes from God, not from believers in God. Whatever Jesus may be quoting, it isn't in the Bible.

2)Jesus mistakes Jeremiah as Zachariah (Matt. 27:9-10; Zachariah 11:12-13)

3)Jesus himself says no one has ascended into heaven before him (John 3:13) whereas Bible says “It was by faith that Enoch was taken up to heaven without dying--"he disappeared, because God took him." (Genesis 5:21-24; Hebrew 11:5)

4)God Himself becoming so bankrupt as to ideas that He decides to murder His own son to atone the sins of His children (something that God would never do)

These are some of the evidences that speak against the book that claims to be God's

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God wants to remain unidentified

by anointed1 in

1) books supposedly written by god contain errors.

2) people supposedly appointed by god make human rights violations.

and god does not prevent those things from happening.

anointed1

Island Man, If God wants to remain unidentified, it is obvious that He is not interested in our praise or worship, even thanks.

He has shown guidance through things such as flower and fruit-bearing trees. This is not speculative nor contradictory. When I take lesson from them and put into practice people appreciate it and I myself find it extremely beneficial.

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God wants to remain unidentified

by anointed1 in

1) books supposedly written by god contain errors.

2) people supposedly appointed by god make human rights violations.

and god does not prevent those things from happening.

anointed1

LoveUniHateExams

I already wrote: No scriptures belong to him, hence all those accounts in the them may be historical partly or may not be historical. It was just the natural unfolding of events with no divine guidance. A divinely-guided happening would have "equal reaction" from the beneficiaries. For example,

1) if God had really brought Israelites through Red Sea, beneficiaries would never have made a calf and worshipped it after the incident.

2) if God had chosen people on earth, they would have lived as an example to other nations--look at their Kings: David, Solomon ...

3) If Jesus had really performed miracles such as resurrection, stopping the storm .... no one would have dared to crucify him

This means:

Scriptures supposedly written by God is not really His, characters in them were simply claiming they belonged to God--just like their modern-day counterparts do.

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God wants to remain unidentified

by anointed1 in

1) books supposedly written by god contain errors.

2) people supposedly appointed by god make human rights violations.

and god does not prevent those things from happening.

anointed1

1) Books supposedly written by God contain errors

2) People supposedly appointed by God make human rights violations

And God does not prevent those things from happening

What does this show?

1) He has not authorized writing of any books

2) He has not appointed anybody on earth

It means He wants to remain unidentified.

Yet this does not mean He is not interested in providing guidance to us. Look at flower: it weaves beauty which it cannot see, spreads fragrance which it cannot smell and produces nectar which it cannot enjoy—everything what a flower does is for the benefit of others! Thus a true seer is motivated to exhibit this unconditional love and people around him appreciate him as epitome of beauty, fragrance and sweetness!

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Sisters as Ministerial Servants?

by Spoletta in

my wife has been trying to convince me that the organization is hinting at the possibility of making some older sisters ministerial servants.

she is awake to a lot of the false doctrines, but is still clinging to the hope that the org may become more progressive in the future.

anyone else pick up on this?

anointed1

Sisters are basically women, hence would behave like US women. They never had a woman president, and when they got the change to elect one woman president, they did not. It means women have secondary role because they have let that happen. Similarly, if all JW sisters agree that we need 50% representation in all avenues of JW org--including the composition of GB, otherwise we are all leaving....then they will definitely change. But women are women, they will not.