i thought a short commentary on the "nethinim" (nathinim, nethunim) would be fun.
the word (given (ones) is used in verbal form in reference to the levites until the post exilic stories whereupon it takes on a new usage as a name of a specific non-israelite people serving in the temple.
it is much complicated by the various descriptions from p,d,j but it is clear we have some conflict of opinions about the history and role of this group.. in josh 9 we have an apparent late attempt to identify nethinim with the gibeonites.
simply put, all jws should be considered members of the 12 tribes of Israel [of God]. Out of these "spiritual tribes" (like of Joseph) are sealed the 144 000, including the Governing Body aka F&DS.
Christians are not astranged, or foreigners. they are citizens. Old wt doctrine: the 12 tribes are the earthly class.
Leave the name calling to the name callers.
Not endorsing, just pointing out.
the bible records miracles such as resurrections, angels, prophecy and destructive acts of god to mention a few.
are these all a pack of lies?
how do you explain them?
Where's the proof without using the Bible to prove the Bible?
There is no secular proof of the major miracles mentioned in the O.P.
there is no evidence that the human population was reduced to only 8 souls a mere ~ 4000 years ago in the barge full of vegetarians floating above mt. Everest. It is pure bunk, to put it charitably.
science fiction at its worst.
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
The generation that does not pass away
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wt prophecy like that would be a false prophecy , because in Math.24 there is no such generation that does not pass away. They all pass away. The generation talked about will pass away after all these things have occurred. These things (listed prior to Math: 24:34) includes a disaster bigger than the flood in noah's day (from the world's beginning).
Even current wt doctrine about the anointed generation is false, because the wt generation does not pass away after, (as Jesus said), but before the full Great Tribulation i.e. Armageddon.
Armageddon, the tribulation greater than the Flood, which clearly happened after the worlds beginning, is the biggy, not just a mere "sign". It is a signing out of 99% of all beings. .
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
Explain what JW leadership could have done to avoid persecution of the brethren without breaking God’s laws?
organize a hidden exodus of the affected males, assign them to missionary work, a kind of gentile "kindertransport" , "climb every mountain" not to smuggle prints but to save lives.
scripturally : "if they persecute you in one city, go to another"
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
TD great summary, so,
what prevents future members of the great crowd, slated to be in the courtyard of the temple, from also being in overlapping groups, if the the anointed remnant, future king priests destined for the most holy , are said to be in that questionable configuration now? wt could say:
The anointed (peter paul and mary) are assembling in heaven since 1918, prospective "0ther Sheep" potentially since 1935. --- no 1914 there!.
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
TD.
corrections: "Behold the great crowd" announced 1935, that makes even a baby in mothers arms today 88 years old. even then its wrong. Wt of 4/15 1995 question from readers states that the great crowd does not exist prior to the great tribulation. Nobody can shout "salvation we owe--" until after the end. . "coming out of" is not synonymous to "survive"
Jehovah did not allow the ingathering of this group to begin too soon.
wt announced starting in 1918 that "millions now living will never die" , in other words will become members of that great crowd, now 105 year old, but baptized wtorg members.
Fast forward the clock 40 years and it is clear that an adjustment is on the horizon.
easy, overlapping groups of prospective great crowd members, wt chart coming up 2075 again.
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
And how does mistaken interpretations of the Bible by JW falsify the Bible or disqualify JW as God’s agency? Fm.
Among the characteristic, qualification of the F&DS by Jesus is listed , that food has to be given at the proper time. If it is one thing that wt is guilty of, it is dragging the holy name they have appropriated into disrepute by their total failure in their timing of prophecies, (spiritual food to be distributed by the few to the many, in their the worldwide campaigns. ).
1914 was wt's year of shame. The world did not end, they were not elevated into heaven.
Babylon the great ( wt's "Empire of False Religion" ) did not have a fall in 1918, but is stronger than ever,
In just one country of 275 millions citizens, in T.E.o.F.R., aka B.T.G., made the government have adultery declared a nationwide punishable crime. That is 34 times more than all of wt land, doing the right thing.
May be it is the invisibly reigning king of 1914 working in strange ways?
the bible records miracles such as resurrections, angels, prophecy and destructive acts of god to mention a few.
are these all a pack of lies?
how do you explain them?
If the Bible is incorrect, then mankind is most to be pitied...for what hope beyond this life?
The bible is incorrect. But having participated in this marvellous untertaking (pun was unintended), the existence, in this enormous structure, the universe, tells me that all is not lost, as religions (without them, as they say) would like you believe.
The father does not need these pretenders to do good for us. He does not need fiction writers to have wrought wonders for all.
The bible paints only a caricature of the creator.
the bible records miracles such as resurrections, angels, prophecy and destructive acts of god to mention a few.
are these all a pack of lies?
how do you explain them?
Waton, how do believe the writers were lying?
Ultimately, this is not about the writers but the facts. The impossible happenings. The Universe is a miracle enough.
These 'miracles' require the overruling of the laws of Nature. A character, that is so mercilessly requiring the slaughter of a victim as a "corresponding ransom" and the death of all descendants over a bite of fruit does not fit , as the author, or proofreader of the bible.
These story tellers were ignorant, trying to create a comfort zone in a scary world.
By contrast, the Joseph story is at least possible, only dreams correctly interpreted. good lessons for monopoly merchandising too.
the bible records miracles such as resurrections, angels, prophecy and destructive acts of god to mention a few.
are these all a pack of lies?
how do you explain them?
Talk is easy, papyrus is patient.
The Brothers Grimm out grimmed. talking snake vs talking wolf. grin.
barge full of vegetarians floating above Everest. never.
earth rotation stopped aka sun standing still? tell us another one.
Barren Lady getting pregnant during the sons of Eli era at the temple? probably
water into wine, walking on water, the resurrected walking into jerusalem ? what? whacky!
If you believe stuff like that you are ready to believe the wt follow up, 1914, 1918/19*, 1925, 1975, 2000. 2075**.
* resurrection of the saints, "world has ended, millions now living will never die". the writers of that revision of history, prophecy, appointed to be the final F&DS.
** projected overlap of anointed centenarian .
