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  Prophet stories

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  (1kings 20) an unnamed prophet walks up to a man and tells him to punch him, the guy refuses to and is killed by a lion.

  he goes up to another guy and tells him to punch him, this guy does.

  why does the prophet want to be punched?

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  waton

  you cant trust the prophets . even today. the deity might want to fool you. punish you for being credulous.
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  Is it mathematically posible for Noah and his sons to have populated the earth?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  bible says flood occurred approximately 4000 years ago.

  that is about *200 generations of breeding to get to the population on earth now.

  keep in mind that the population increase is geometric.

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  waton

  mitigating factors

  Strangely, early males in the bible stories seem to have a slowly developing interest in sex. Adam procrastinating until he could have only imperfect children, others later only having firstborns at the ripe age of 120.
  
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  Is it mathematically posible for Noah and his sons to have populated the earth?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  bible says flood occurred approximately 4000 years ago.

  that is about *200 generations of breeding to get to the population on earth now.

  keep in mind that the population increase is geometric.

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  waton

  without doing any googling, I suspect it would be theoretically possible. just in my lifetime it has quadruplet, increased by 6 billions. But put in context, would within a century the construction of the massive pyramids been possible? and

  animals from an even smaller single pair, single location start? Sloth reaching South America?

  If by Geo- metric you mean to take the "measure of the the Earth" and mostly water.
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  How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

  by EmptyInside in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

  instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

  they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

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  waton

  Being false or not, the question is what will the watchtower do

  sloppy joe, what wt does might depend on whether the doctrines, prophecies are proven true or not.

  about the 1914 generation, they might want to get rid of the "anointing",or the "never dying" not mentioned in the text, or the extended overlap,thus killing 2 stones with one bird.
  
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  This week's Watchtower Study - don't complain if ...

  by eyeslice in

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  2. friends

  don't complain if you get kicked out of bethel after 23 years (it's really a blessing to be assigned back to the field) and don't complain if they sell your kingdom hall even if you have just invested your time and energy renovating it.. so encouraging?.

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  waton

  to stay calm

  Joseph Goebbels 1945: " Ruhe ist die erste Buergerpflicht" --- nicht.

  A latter day replay of nazi propaganda : "Quiet obedience is the first duty of all citizens.
  
  
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  How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

  by EmptyInside in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

  instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

  they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

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  waton

  The recent popularizing of the 1919 Faithful & Discreet wt Slave shows me, that for now, they want to keep that era in focus. , regardless of the fact that there prediction, doctrines of those times were absolutely wrong.
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  Nethinim...Con-men or Prostitutes....

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i thought a short commentary on the "nethinim" (nathinim, nethunim) would be fun.

  the word (given (ones) is used in verbal form in reference to the levites until the post exilic stories whereupon it takes on a new usage as a name of a specific non-israelite people serving in the temple.

  it is much complicated by the various descriptions from p,d,j but it is clear we have some conflict of opinions about the history and role of this group.. in josh 9 we have an apparent late attempt to identify nethinim with the gibeonites.

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  waton

  simply put, all jws should be considered members of the 12 tribes of Israel [of God]. Out of these "spiritual tribes" (like of Joseph) are sealed the 144 000, including the Governing Body aka F&DS.

  Christians are not astranged, or foreigners. they are citizens. Old wt doctrine: the 12 tribes are the earthly class.

  Leave the name calling to the name callers.

  Not endorsing, just pointing out.
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  Bible MIRACLEs!! Are they a Myth or Emeth?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the bible records miracles such as resurrections, angels, prophecy and destructive acts of god to mention a few.

  are these all a pack of lies?

  how do you explain them?

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  waton

  Where's the proof without using the Bible to prove the Bible?

  There is no secular proof of the major miracles mentioned in the O.P.

  there is no evidence that the human population was reduced to only 8 souls a mere ~ 4000 years ago in the barge full of vegetarians floating above mt. Everest. It is pure bunk, to put it charitably.

  science fiction at its worst.
  
  
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  How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

  by EmptyInside in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

  instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

  they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

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  The generation that does not pass away

  from reddit by sloppyjoe2

  wt prophecy like that would be a false prophecy , because in Math.24 there is no such generation that does not pass away. They all pass away. The generation talked about will pass away after all these things have occurred. These things (listed prior to Math: 24:34) includes a disaster bigger than the flood in noah's day (from the world's beginning).

  Even current wt doctrine about the anointed generation is false, because the wt generation does not pass away after, (as Jesus said), but before the full Great Tribulation i.e. Armageddon.

  Armageddon, the tribulation greater than the Flood, which clearly happened after the worlds beginning, is the biggy, not just a mere "sign". It is a signing out of 99% of all beings. .
  
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  How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

  by EmptyInside in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

  instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

  they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

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  Explain what JW leadership could have done to avoid persecution of the brethren without breaking God’s laws?

  organize a hidden exodus of the affected males, assign them to missionary work, a kind of gentile "kindertransport" , "climb every mountain" not to smuggle prints but to save lives.

  scripturally : "if they persecute you in one city, go to another"